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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Paint advice
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Paint advice
From: cotejohnr@xxxxxxx
3. RE: Paint advice
From: "George McKovich" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Dayton photo help for Club News
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
5. Tacky indeed
From: "John Skeggs" <johnskeggs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Tacky indeed - and I love it !
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Paint advice
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
8. Re: Paint advice
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx
9. 300-L Parts
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
10. Bodyman & leaf springs
From: DH483@xxxxxxx
11. Re: Paint advice
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. RE: Paint advice
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: Bodyman & leaf springs
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:29:50 -0800
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Paint advice
Here's a question for all you guys who have paint/body experience. My '65
300 has been sitting in primer for a year now waiting for paint. The car is
little more than a rolling chasis with the freshly rebuilt engine/trans
installed and only the heater box, pedals, and steering column reinstalled
inside the car. All the alignment of hood, trunk, doors, and fenders has
been completed and the final paint has been applied to everything except the
outer body panels and behind the rear bumper/tail light area.
The painter I had chosen to do the car finally came around to look at the
car and is wanting me to reassemble the car almost completely before he
paints it! He thinks I should spot paint around the window jambs, portions
of the fenders and rear quarters that will be hidden behind the bumpers, the
top edge of the doors and quarter window area, etc, etc. then proceed to
install the glass, weather stripping, bumpers, dashboard, wiring, etc. so
the car is running prior to him painting it.
Is it just me or has this guy been around too many paint fumes? I had wanted
to leave the car as bare as possible not only to ensure nice even coverage
everywhere possible but also to limit the parts effected by overspray. If
the car had not been completely dissassembled I would not have a problem
with masking glass etc. but this seems weird reassembling it prior to paint.
The only benefit and the reason he gave for doing it this way was to limit
the chance of damaging the finish during reassembly.
My gut tells me to stick with my plan but I would welcome any insight from
any of you members that have experience in this area before I make a
decision about how I should proceed.
Thank you in advance. Ryan Hill (Vancouver, Canada)
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:13:48 EST
From: cotejohnr@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Paint advice
Ryan,
Yes, the guys been around (and inhaled) too many paint fumes. Obviously, he's
not had experience with restorations.
Uh-oh, better get Maaco.........NOT.
John Cote
CT.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:31:26 -0700
From: "George McKovich" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Paint advice
Ryan....
I would agree with your thinking on the painting.... I think you need to get
someone else to do the job. My 57 300C is being done in the next two weeks,
similar to the factory paint procedure described by Wayne Graefen, where the
body is done with the front clip removed, the front clip is done and then
placed on the body after the body is mounted.... Seems like the right way to
go.
Good luck,
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Hill [mailto:ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] Paint advice
Here's a question for all you guys who have paint/body experience. My '65
300 has been sitting in primer for a year now waiting for paint. The car is
little more than a rolling chasis with the freshly rebuilt engine/trans
installed and only the heater box, pedals, and steering column reinstalled
inside the car. All the alignment of hood, trunk, doors, and fenders has
been completed and the final paint has been applied to everything except the
outer body panels and behind the rear bumper/tail light area.
The painter I had chosen to do the car finally came around to look at the
car and is wanting me to reassemble the car almost completely before he
paints it! He thinks I should spot paint around the window jambs, portions
of the fenders and rear quarters that will be hidden behind the bumpers, the
top edge of the doors and quarter window area, etc, etc. then proceed to
install the glass, weather stripping, bumpers, dashboard, wiring, etc. so
the car is running prior to him painting it.
Is it just me or has this guy been around too many paint fumes? I had wanted
to leave the car as bare as possible not only to ensure nice even coverage
everywhere possible but also to limit the parts effected by overspray. If
the car had not been completely dissassembled I would not have a problem
with masking glass etc. but this seems weird reassembling it prior to paint.
The only benefit and the reason he gave for doing it this way was to limit
the chance of damaging the finish during reassembly.
My gut tells me to stick with my plan but I would welcome any insight from
any of you members that have experience in this area before I make a
decision about how I should proceed.
Thank you in advance. Ryan Hill (Vancouver, Canada)
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:07:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Dayton photo help for Club News
If anyone has an emailable photo of Jim Eckert's K
convertible taken at the Dayton meet please let me
know.
Thanks,
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:08:46 -0500
From: "John Skeggs" <johnskeggs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Tacky indeed
There is some magazine out there called Tacky Living that has a would-be humorous story about making an abandoned car into some kind of garden ornament. Trouble is, it looked to me as if the car in question is a 300C. We should protest in the strongest terms. The car certainly looked restorable.
I saw the story at www.tackyliving.com, but some of you may be able to find the original mag.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:13:09 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Tacky indeed - and I love it !
Aw, c'mon, John - have a little sense of humour ! I did track down that
article and found that what it really is about is using a house plant and a
plastic car model to create the "Tacky Garden" in question. It's miniature
art! Actually, I think it's a neat idea !
Yes, a 300C car model was used for the "derelict" car. The writer of the
article goes into great detail, about the methods used to turn a brand new
plastic car model into a "junker" . It's well illustrated and explained.
I really enjoyed this article, and I am thinking of creating such a scene
for my office... it will give my clients something to look at, together with
the 300 pictures on the walls - and give some purpose to the obligatory
plant...
300'ly
John
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:50:27 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Paint advice
What it sounds like he wants to do is be able to drive your car in and out
day after day while he does other more "important" jobs. Stick with your
plan, if he won't do it your way find someone else.
300ly,
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Hill <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Paint advice
Here's a question for all you guys who have paint/body experience. My '65
300 has been sitting in primer for a year now waiting for paint. The car is
little more than a rolling chasis with the freshly rebuilt engine/trans
installed and only the heater box, pedals, and steering column reinstalled
inside the car. All the alignment of hood, trunk, doors, and fenders has
been completed and the final paint has been applied to everything except the
outer body panels and behind the rear bumper/tail light area.
The painter I had chosen to do the car finally came around to look at the
car and is wanting me to reassemble the car almost completely before he
paints it! He thinks I should spot paint around the window jambs, portions
of the fenders and rear quarters that will be hidden behind the bumpers, the
top edge of the doors and quarter window area, etc, etc. then proceed to
install the glass, weather stripping, bumpers, dashboard, wiring, etc. so
the car is running prior to him painting it.
Is it just me or has this guy been around too many paint fumes? I had wanted
to leave the car as bare as possible not only to ensure nice even coverage
everywhere possible but also to limit the parts effected by overspray. If
the car had not been completely dissassembled I would not have a problem
with masking glass etc. but this seems weird reassembling it prior to paint.
The only benefit and the reason he gave for doing it this way was to limit
the chance of damaging the finish during reassembly.
My gut tells me to stick with my plan but I would welcome any insight from
any of you members that have experience in this area before I make a
decision about how I should proceed.
Thank you in advance. Ryan Hill (Vancouver, Canada)
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:41:23 +0000
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Paint advice
Ryan -
The short answer is, yes, the guy is smoking crack. Stick to your plan.
I have some concerns based on the scenario that you describe:
When you say that the car is in primer, is this a primer that is compatible with the top coat that your painter is planning to apply ?
I would recommend a seal coat over the primer, prior to applying the top coat.
I would question the quality of the primer after a year. You may want to sand it off and have a fresh coat applied.
How close a match will the newly applied paint be to what you have applied maybe a year ago ? Is it coming from the same can that you did the firewall, door jambs, etc. If not, your outerbody panels may be slightly different in color from what you painted previously, even if the shop mixes up a batch according to the formula. My body guy recommended painting everything at once, to avoid this problem.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but these things are worth considering...
Ron
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:02:53 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: 300-L Parts
Hi All,
I'm in need of the printed circuit board on the back of the gage cluster that has the 3 pin connection on it. These pins are all loose on my car and it is causing the fuel gage to not work. If anyone has one off a car, please email me privately.
300ly,
Don
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:17:17 EST
From: DH483@xxxxxxx
Subject: Bodyman & leaf springs
Hi,
Does anyone have a bodyman who does quality work (without asking for my first
born male son as payment) that they can recommend in the Chicagoland area?
Also, who was the point of contact for new leaf springs? The subject was
posted a few weeks back, but I hadn't saved that email.
Thanks,
Dan
(dh483@xxxxxxx)
(Chicago)
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:47:16 -0800
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Paint advice
If it was up to Me, I would assemble the whole car, with exception of the
bumpers and external stainless trim before final color coats. Without the
door& trunk lid gaskets in place, you will have to deal with more paint
over spray on the jambs plus dust and crap being stirred up from the
interior of the car as you shoot the paint.
He's in the business and he's probably got his reasons for doing it this
way, if you don't like his methods, get someone else, it's your nickle.
Mike
At 09:29 AM 12/15/2003 -0800, Ryan Hill wrote:
>Here's a question for all you guys who have paint/body experience. My '65
>300 has been sitting in primer for a year now waiting for paint. The car is
>little more than a rolling chasis with the freshly rebuilt engine/trans
>installed and only the heater box, pedals, and steering column reinstalled
>inside the car. All the alignment of hood, trunk, doors, and fenders has
>been completed and the final paint has been applied to everything except the
>outer body panels and behind the rear bumper/tail light area.
>
>The painter I had chosen to do the car finally came around to look at the
>car and is wanting me to reassemble the car almost completely before he
>paints it! He thinks I should spot paint around the window jambs, portions
>of the fenders and rear quarters that will be hidden behind the bumpers, the
>top edge of the doors and quarter window area, etc, etc. then proceed to
>install the glass, weather stripping, bumpers, dashboard, wiring, etc. so
>the car is running prior to him painting it.
>
>Is it just me or has this guy been around too many paint fumes? I had wanted
>to leave the car as bare as possible not only to ensure nice even coverage
>everywhere possible but also to limit the parts effected by overspray. If
>the car had not been completely dissassembled I would not have a problem
>with masking glass etc. but this seems weird reassembling it prior to paint.
>The only benefit and the reason he gave for doing it this way was to limit
>the chance of damaging the finish during reassembly.
>
>My gut tells me to stick with my plan but I would welcome any insight from
>any of you members that have experience in this area before I make a
>decision about how I should proceed.
>
>Thank you in advance. Ryan Hill (Vancouver, Canada)
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:44:15 +1000
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Paint advice
There are possibly a hundred correct answers.
normally you would say paint the car the way the factory did, others suggest
- however your paint guy may have done cars for others before that way, and
seen (how often/badly) these cars end up with scratches which if two pack
and metallic can cause touch up problems. (And if scratches are to occur it
is often re refitting glass, screens, other trims - and virtually every car
is going to get at least one scratch !?)
It also comes down to quality and price - if you are doing an absolute show
car, or a good driver?! And the other concern is if metallic two pack -
quite often the panels must all be painted as fitted - ie if you paint a
guard off the car not the way it sits on the car, often the metallic will
result in the panel looking/being a different shade. (metallic silvers often
a headache)
At the end of the day chosing a painter is like chrome plating - best way is
try to see other previous work done, time promised (and then taken) to do
the job, and price and what products used ( ie good quality brand
primers/filler, etc).
Many can get it real shiny, but do you (also) want it so (perfect) if you
look down the sides it is perfect, not a single waver or ripple that 95 out
of a 100 never will notice or care about? You are better if you do this,
but if you do not care, and price is better, them your choice.
Collecting cars is a great interest, but sometimes we harm ourselves by
trying too hard to 'play god', and spend thousands of hours trying to make
our cars better than new. I did just that with my XKE Roadster, 2,500
hours, appreciated by Jag owneres every time I use it. But I have way more
fun with my (not perfect to me) tidy 300C and 57 T/bird because I am not too
worried about a single paint chip, or a bit of dust or even mud - because i
use them far more. And understand to the best of my knowledge - we can't
take them with us, so enjoy then now !!!?
You decide, but whatever, avoid someone who is going to do a job you will
not be happy with, let alone have others say 'nice car, shame about the
sloppy/poor body/paint - good luck
aussie christopher
>From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [Chrysler300] Paint advice
>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:29:50 -0800
>
>Here's a question for all you guys who have paint/body experience. My '65
>300 has been sitting in primer for a year now waiting for paint. The car is
>little more than a rolling chasis with the freshly rebuilt engine/trans
>installed and only the heater box, pedals, and steering column reinstalled
>inside the car. All the alignment of hood, trunk, doors, and fenders has
>been completed and the final paint has been applied to everything except
>the
>outer body panels and behind the rear bumper/tail light area.
>
>The painter I had chosen to do the car finally came around to look at the
>car and is wanting me to reassemble the car almost completely before he
>paints it! He thinks I should spot paint around the window jambs,
>portions
>of the fenders and rear quarters that will be hidden behind the bumpers,
>the
>top edge of the doors and quarter window area, etc, etc. then proceed to
>install the glass, weather stripping, bumpers, dashboard, wiring, etc. so
>the car is running prior to him painting it.
>
>Is it just me or has this guy been around too many paint fumes? I had
>wanted
>to leave the car as bare as possible not only to ensure nice even coverage
>everywhere possible but also to limit the parts effected by overspray. If
>the car had not been completely dissassembled I would not have a problem
>with masking glass etc. but this seems weird reassembling it prior to
>paint.
>The only benefit and the reason he gave for doing it this way was to limit
>the chance of damaging the finish during reassembly.
>
>My gut tells me to stick with my plan but I would welcome any insight from
>any of you members that have experience in this area before I make a
>decision about how I should proceed.
>
>Thank you in advance. Ryan Hill (Vancouver, Canada)
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:44:19 -0600
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Bodyman & leaf springs
The leaf springs must be ordered thru the Club Office, 517-849-2783. Details
in the Summer 2003 isssue of the Chrysler 300 Club News on page 37 (and in
every issue).
--
Ray Jones, Jones Ridge, in the Ouachita Mtns near Mena, Western Arkansas
> From: DH483@xxxxxxx
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:17:17 EST
> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Bodyman & leaf springs
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a bodyman who does quality work (without asking for my first
> born male son as payment) that they can recommend in the Chicagoland area?
>
> Also, who was the point of contact for new leaf springs? The subject was
> posted a few weeks back, but I hadn't saved that email.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
> (dh483@xxxxxxx)
> (Chicago)
>
>
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