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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The forgotten K
From: Bruce Paul <b_paul_ncp@xxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: reply re: recognized cars
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
3. The forgotten K- Reproduction of Parts
From: "John L. Chesnutt" <chesnutt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Washer pumps
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Plastic Interior Chrome Painting
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
6. the hammer story
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Engine Rebuild Kits
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Engine Rebuild Kits
From: Mike <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. sorry about that
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 05:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Paul <b_paul_ncp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: The forgotten K
Timothy,
As I have heard on SpeedVision, Don't Crush Them,
Restore Them. Enjoyment is what it is all about. If
you try to get them perfect and keep them that way, it
will cost you many $$$ and actually cut down on where
and how often you will drive them. Just try to satisfy
yourself.
Bruce Paul-Cherry Hill, NJ
--- Timothy Tomlinson <tomlin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 1. I have really enjoyed several series of
> discussions on the site since getting into the
> electronics. The new one about the forgotten K hits
> a button with me so I have to respond.
> 2. I have two 300-K's. If I had it all to do over
> again, I still would want at least one K. However,
> I too have seen the problems associated with them.
> However, I don't feel that means they are forgotten.
> They are cursed by being too young and yet too old.
> Too young for much to be reproduced and too old for
> much remaining unique NOS to be reasonably
> available. I long ago realized several rules,
> beyond the one that says you will spend several
> times more money restoring one than its worth. It
> is done for the love of the car--for its lines,
> feel, nostalia or whatever.
> 3. Early this week I did mail ( the old style with
> postage stamp) a letter to George Riehl suggesting
> the reproduction of the windshield washer bag and
> pump. I think they were used on other than just
> '64's, but am not sure. However, while I would also
> like new/very good pot metal trim across the back
> (unique to '64) I would likely not pay the amount
> needed to reproduce that item.
> 4. I fix what I can, try to get to a solid number 3
> condition so as to not be too much an embarassment
> to others, and drive and enjoy my cars for road
> machines.
> 5. Maybe one day others will appreciate them as
> much as I and they may be worth enough in the market
> that more items will be reproduced. I am thankful
> for what has been done so far by Gary Goers,
> Legendary Auto Interiors, etc. I had to wait a
> number of years for Legendary to make a good (but
> not perfect) reproduction vinyl seat ( and then they
> aren't real cheap for a full set, but well worth the
> money).
> Please don't wait for a car to be perfect--it may
> never be and is personally enjoyable at some stage
> less than perfection.
>
> Tim
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:52:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: reply re: recognized cars
Never will understand why a 300 Hurst is considered a
letter car.
--- John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> Heck, I'll stick my neck out and respond, since
> nobody else has done so yet. Means others more
> intelligent than me, probably.
>
> With regards to your statement:
> "From a broader perspective, it certainly seems to
> me that the Club has a kind of unspoken heierarchy,
> that being :
> Real 300's are the '55 to '58 models cuz they had
> hemi engines or
> Real 300's are the '55 to '61 models cuz the series
> 300 had not happened yet or
> Real 300's are the '55 to '65 letter models and the
> Hurst model but not the rest or ... "
>
> Well, you're certainly correct about the latter. Our
> Club, indeed is " a group of enthusiasts committed
> to the preservation, restoration and enjoyment of
> Chrysler 300 Letter Series automobiles, 1955-1965
> and the 1970 300 Hurst. " ( this taken from the
> Club's pamphlet and Web site ) . These are the
> vehicles we recognize, and no others.
> This is not meant to be a "snub" to other 300's and
> their owners, but these cars, from the '62 300 Sport
> on, are NOT within the scope of our Club, and have
> never been meant to be.
>
> Now, we do have quite a few owners of non-lettered
> 300's within our ranks. Some have Letter cars as
> well. Some don't. These non-lettered cars are not
> eligible for concours or trophies at our meets. But
> I do believe that many of their owners choose to pay
> their dues and remain in the Club because they do
> get something out of membership - be it technical
> help, parts information, or just the camaraderie
> experienced at our meets.
>
> You also say:
>
> Personally, I have had (since 1974) a '63 Pace Car
> convertible, which the Club does not officially
> recognize as even being a '300.' I find all this
> rather silly.
> That is not quite true. We ( the Club ) do not
> recognize the 63 300 and all other similar cars
> BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WHAT OUR CLUB IS ALL ABOUT . We
> certainly do not say that your '63 Pace Car is not a
> 300 !
>
> Unfortunately for owners of non-lettered 300's, be
> they 62 300 Sport models even those with the 300H
> package, or '63 Pace Cars, or 79 300's for that
> matter, there is no Club specifically addressing
> their needs and wants. Those cars are recognised by
> the Chrysler 300 Club Inc. as well as Letter Series
> 300's, so maybe you should consider joining this
> organisation as well. Quite a few of us are dual
> members, and each Club has something different to
> offer to its members. Also, some of us belong to WPC
> and NCPC and other Clubs.
>
> Finally, please consider this: The Letter Series
> 300's are all Milestone Cars, and for a good reason
> - small production numbers, exclusive high priced
> multi-carbureted cars for the most part. Total
> production of the 55 thru 65 equals 14,268 units.
> That's for all ELEVEN years of production ( and not
> counting the 486 Hursts )
>
> Now look at the production numbers for the non
> lettered 300's:
> 1962 = 25455 !
> 1963 = 24665 !
> 1964 = 25318 !
> 1965 = 27678 !
> 1966 = 49597 !
> 1967 = 21888 !
> 1968 = 34621 !
> 1969 = 32472 !
> 1970 = 21007 !
> 1971 = 13939 !
> ( and I don't have figures for the 1979 300 )
> That's a total of 276,640 cars . They might be nice
> cars, but they are certainly not as exclusive as the
> Letter Series 300's.
>
> John
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:14:18 -0700
From: "John L. Chesnutt" <chesnutt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: The forgotten K- Reproduction of Parts
Regarding "reproduction of 1964 windshield washer and pump" from Timothy
Tomlinson.
I believe the pump for the windshield washer is the same as used on the Ford
Mustangs of the 1960's.. They are available from Mustang parts suppliers.
John & Arlys Chesnutt, Portland, OR.
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From: "Timothy Tomlinson" <tomlin@xxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:25:34 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Washer pumps
Washer pumps 61 thru 64 also available from Brad's NOS parts.
Brad's NOS Parts, Brad Edwards, 1420 Lake Dogwood Drive, P. O. Box 2988,
West Columbia, SC., 29171, 803-755-0066. Fax 803-755-9722
They are basically the same unit except rubber-mounted with a ground strap,
and there is no hole for the bag clip, but that's easy to make oneself.
I was not aware that these same pumps were available from Ford people -
anybody got a definite lead on that ?
John
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Plastic Interior Chrome Painting
Hello,
My armrests and interior lights are plastic and have
areas with silver paint on them trying to mimic some
type of chromelike appearance. They need to be painted
again, some areas are still shiny and some parts are
just dull gray. Does anyone know if there is a special
procedure when repainting these pieces? Like maybe a
pimer or clearcoat?? Also, what brand/color of spray
paint should be used? Any help as always is greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Sean
64 "K"
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:48:43 -0700
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: the hammer story
I spent 38 years working as a aircraft engine mecanic.Now from the first
day mechanics are thought that you handle aircraft parts like they were the
family juels.You did not drop them ,Let them bang together,Nick,Scratch.Or in
anyway abuse them. So I was walking through the shop one night and a Forman
stopped me with a problem.Seams they had a JT8D engine(re 737 power plant) that
had sheared the long shaft at the number 4and1/2 bearing.The long shaft connects
the front compressor to the rear turbine wheals.To take it apart you have to
hold the turbine wheal with a fixture ,slide a long splined wrench down the
shaft and with the ade of a SWEENY (12 x1 gearbox)unscrew the coupling.The
engine was already on its nose in a vertical position with a work stand around
it.So with the aid of a 8lb brass hammer and a 18in drift I proceeded to smash
the turbine blades and the guide vanes out of the way.They were all junk anyway
The compressor and turbine turn at 8000 R.P.M. on this engine.I then made a
long welding rod with a 90 bend on the end .Lined up the two parts of the shaft
and working through the 3and1/2 inch I.D of the shaft put 3 one inch welds
at the break.There were about 100 people looking by this time.I took the shaft
out just as the day shift arrived .The day shift bosses said the shaft could not
have been sheared!So I took my hammer and hit it at the break.It fell in two but
the welds looked peaty good.For the next 10 years I was known as Hammer Mac
until I got a new monicer.Jim . P.S. A month latter the same thing happened and
they took high speed grinders and cut a $48000 diffuser case in too.Guess
they showed me what engineers could do.Fell free to forward if you like, maybe
someone will get a kick.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:07:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Engine Rebuild Kits
Does anybody know of any companies that produce a
master or deluxe engine rebuild kit that would include
pistons, rings, gaskets, cam+rod+main bearings, oil
pump, freeze plugs, cam+lifters, timing chain etc..
for a Chrysler 413?? I found one kit for $649.00 but
the pistons are 8 to 1 and I dont want to mill the
heads or block and have to use custom pushrods to keep
the stock CR. Kanter Automotive has one for a around
$1200.00, but I dont want to spend that much. Any
leads will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Sean
64 "K"
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:07:09 -0700
From: Mike <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Kits
Sean,
I've been using www.northernautoparts.com for some recent work on my daily
drivers.
The prices aren't bad for their engine rebuild kits and you can substitute
different components for a small difference in price.
9 to 1 is probably more resonable this day and age, pistons should be
available for that.
Mike
At 03:07 PM 9/28/01 -0700, Sean Ellis wrote:
>Does anybody know of any companies that produce a
>master or deluxe engine rebuild kit that would include
>pistons, rings, gaskets, cam+rod+main bearings, oil
>pump, freeze plugs, cam+lifters, timing chain etc..
>for a Chrysler 413?? I found one kit for $649.00 but
>the pistons are 8 to 1 and I dont want to mill the
>heads or block and have to use custom pushrods to keep
>the stock CR. Kanter Automotive has one for a around
>$1200.00, but I dont want to spend that much. Any
>leads will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Sean
>64 "K"
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:30:7 -0700
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: sorry about that
Woops My Bad. Sorry about telling stores out of school and cluttering up
the listsaver.Now for some car stuff . Has anyone out there installed timed port
Fuel Injection on a crossram? Id really like to talk to you as its in my plans.I
hate the W.C.F.B carters. You could spend 2 hours in the morning tuning and half
to do it all over in the afternoon.Also what issues of the club news
covered the octane problem so I can back order? I've messed whith Nitro Benzines
and Nitro Methane in the past and understand Retrofire is the is the hot prop
now.Old Joke .WATS your Mix? answer 99.8 Nitro . Watts the other .02%
answer I don't know it comes in the Nitro! Am currently running 4 oz
of acetone per 20 gal of fuel in my 440 wedge.It is supposed to raise the octane
about 4 % ? Jim.
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