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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: 1960 Mirror Question
From: GERALD OLSON <olson77@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. RE: K on ebay
From: <john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: K on ebay
From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
4. Re: K on ebay
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
5. 300g brake system
From: William Barrie <blueweststudio@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: K on ebay
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. 1964 300k console
From: legbrkar@xxxxxxx
8. Re: 1960 Mirror Question
From: Paul Martin <paul_martin78ca@xxxxxxxx>
9. Re: 300g brake system
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
10. 300 K on e-bay
From: limegreencuda@xxxxxxxxxxx
11. Re: Re: 300g brake system
From: <smopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: 1960 Mirror Question
From: GERALD OLSON <olson77@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: 300 K on e-bay
From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
14. Re: 300g brake system
From: Marshall R Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
15. Re: 300 K on e-bay
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
16. Fw: Power supply
From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
17. Re: Fw: Power supply
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
18. 392 starters
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
19. Re: Panelescent Lighting
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
20. 1966 300 Sport
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
21. Panelescent Lighting
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
22. Fwd: Fw: Power supply
From: whuff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
23. Re: Fw: Power supply
From: "Fern Rivard" <crc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
24. Re: Panelescent Lighting
From: "KELLY PIERCE" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
25. Re: RE: G parts car
From: "KELLY PIERCE" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 05:42:05 -0800 (PST)
From: GERALD OLSON <olson77@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 1960 Mirror Question
Gary, The right side should be a twin strut. The strut
base will show the oval mark of the hollow rod but the
hole is not there. The tough thing is that there is a
short pedestal that goes under the strut base on the
right side! Good luck with this one. Heck I've seen
the left mirror with and without the little pedestal
and thy are different. Regards, Jerry
--- gary_r_23 <garyandkathie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I want to add a passenger side fender mirror to my
> 1960 and I want to
> be sure I buy the correct one. I have the triple
> strut remote
> adjustable mirror on the driver side, but should the
> passenger side
> mirror also be a triple or a twin strut mirror? On
> the remote
> adjustable mirror, the center strut houses the
> adjuster cables, so
> it kind of makes sense that the mirror without the
> remote would be a
> just a twin strut. Does anyone know which is
> correct?
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:53:00 -0700
From: <john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: K on ebay
I had a heater delete, radio delete 61 Newport. There were only two buttons on the heater control- OFF and AIR. AIR opened the fresh air vent to allow outside air into the car.
I sold the firewall block-off stuff to someone who was building a 62 'drag car' back in the 1980's.
John
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From: John Hertog [mailto:crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:01 PM
To: Don Verity; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] K on ebay
Good eyes, Don - yes, it is most definitely a "heater delete" car !
Amazing - I had never seen one. Note the heater box delete, as well as the
cover where the heater blower motor would be ! as far as the fan / heater
controls - also deleted ! I wonder what the two remaining buttons are for
??? I guess the heater hoses go to that extra "tank" in the trunk !
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
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From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:31 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] K on ebay
Check out this K on ebay. It appears to be a heater delete car! Item #
2451601581
300ly,
Don
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:22:47 EST
From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: K on ebay
Hi All:
Thank you, Russ, for you comments on the inability to "delete" that which was
not there in the first place!! All that "delete" stuff is more a product of
the 1970's when heaters and radios were often made standard equipment. Then
one would have to delete them if not wanted.
A 300K ordered without the heater option certainly is rare, as the climate
would have to be just right, it would seem, and/or the buyer very frugal-----not
the type ordinarily buying a 300K! 300ly, Gil
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:15:53 EST
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: K on ebay
In a message dated 1/3/2004 8:34:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Pacesetter300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Just hard for me to figure how to delete something that wasn't there to
begin with.
Like my new F**D truck. I bought it out of stock at the local dealership.
It was an "Upscale" model that came with a CD player radio. For $90 extra,
it had the standard "cassette" radio installed instead. I still haven't
figured out how that happened!
Joe Savard
Lake Orion, MI USA
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:57:18 -0800 (PST)
From: William Barrie <blueweststudio@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300g brake system
HAPPY NEW YEAR FELLOW MEMBERS,
I just installed a new master cylinder and I have a problem.Here's whats happening. First, all the wheel cylinders have been rebuilt, new lines and no leaks.I bench bled the master cylinder following the supplyer's instructions, prior to installing. After installing the master, I re-bled all the brake lines in the proper order.Now, when I first press the brake pedel, it goes to the floor and after a few pumps it is up fully.While applyingconstent pressure to the pedel, the pedel remains firm. If I release, and wait 30 seconds, the pedel will now go to the floor when depressed.Three more complete line bleeds and the same result. Did I do something wrong when I bench bled the master cylinder?
Thank you,
Barrie
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:00:27 -0600
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: K on ebay
Hi All and Happy New Year!
I think the "delete" name was more of a flag than anything else. Gil would
maybe be the last word on this, as he worked there then. But, if you didn't
want something it was a "delete", even if it wasen't standard equiptment,
because they had to do something unusuall as it was built. Every car coming
down the line got a heater, so it would have been a problem for the heater
instsaller guy if there wasen't one to be put in. Also they had special
parts just for that choice. So the part books would have things listed as
Delete to seperate them from all the normal parts.
Don Rook has a 66 300 3 speed column shift Conv which is a total delete car,
with the only thing extra above the base price (which was never sold) is the
turn siginal light package with the fender top lights, or a clock.
Whichever, only 1 option, and it didn't make much sense. It may have a
heater, I don't remember. But I'm sure the "radio delete" dash panel cost
more than the radio that was left out. It was diecast and polished, and
completes the dash ribs right across wher the radio would have been. If they
gave the buyer the radio, they'ed have been ahead.
--
Ray Jones, Jones Ridge, in the Ouachita Mtns near Mena, Western Arkansas
> From: Russ Vaughan <Pacesetter300@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: pacesetter300@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 05:32:25 -0800 (PST)
> To: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] K on ebay
>
> I was amazed to see that too! Gotta be one of a handfull of letter cars ever
> made without a heater. I think the two buttons are for "OFF" and "VENT",
> even with no heat, there was a way to get fresh air in. Helped get the
> burning rubber smoke and smell out faster! :-) I have never heard of the extra
> cooling tank in the trunk. Looking close, I see what looks like hardware store
> fittings on the engine. Probably some owner added accessory. My expereince
> with the heater delete cars with the Ramcharger and Super Stock Max Wedges in
> '62 and '63 and I never saw a setup like that.
>
> BTW personally, I think the term "heater delete' is inappropriate, same with
> "radio delete". To delete an accessory implies it was standard equipment,
> which in most cases they were not. If you had bought a $2964 Newport in
> '62, It wouldn't be called a "heater delete" "radio delete" "power steering
> delete" "power brake delete" "automatic transmission delete" " O/S rear view
> mirror delete" etc., etc., car. Even though common options which most were
> equipped, ALL those options had to be added on the order sheet. On the
> other hand, a New Yorker with a 3-speed manual would be an "automatic delete"
> car because the automatic was standard on a New Yorker. MCG uses the term
> very loosley and it has caught on. Just hard for me to figure how to delete
> something that wasn't there to begin with.
>
> Russ Vaughan
>
> John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Good eyes, Don - yes, it is most definitely a "heater delete" car !
> Amazing - I had never seen one. Note the heater box delete, as well as the
> cover where the heater blower motor would be ! as far as the fan / heater
> controls - also deleted ! I wonder what the two remaining buttons are for
> ??? I guess the heater hoses go to that extra "tank" in the trunk !
>
> John Hertog
> Sag Harbor NY
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:31 PM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] K on ebay
>
>
> Check out this K on ebay. It appears to be a heater delete car! Item #
> 2451601581
> 300ly,
> Don
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:34:14 EST
From: legbrkar@xxxxxxx
Subject: 1964 300k console
i was wondering what a 1964300k console would be worth?
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:48:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Martin <paul_martin78ca@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 1960 Mirror Question
Gary
I acquired a right mirror a few years ago for my 300F
and it has 3 struts, I have also seen them with two
struts. I dont think mine is a left side modified as I
seen no trace of cables
Paul Martin
300F
Vancouver BC
Home of the 2010 Olympic games
--- gary_r_23 <garyandkathie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I
want to add a passenger side fender mirror to my
> 1960 and I want to
> be sure I buy the correct one. I have the triple
> strut remote
> adjustable mirror on the driver side, but should the
> passenger side
> mirror also be a triple or a twin strut mirror? On
> the remote
> adjustable mirror, the center strut houses the
> adjuster cables, so
> it kind of makes sense that the mirror without the
> remote would be a
> just a twin strut. Does anyone know which is
> correct?
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:02:27 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300g brake system
Sounds like the shoe adjustment is way off to me. I would adjust the brakes
and check again.
300ly,
Don
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From: William Barrie <blueweststudio@xxxxxxxxx>
To: 300club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300g brake system
HAPPY NEW YEAR FELLOW MEMBERS,
I just installed a new master cylinder and I have a problem.Here's
whats happening. First, all the wheel cylinders have been rebuilt, new lines
and no leaks.I bench bled the master cylinder following the supplyer's
instructions, prior to installing. After installing the master, I re-bled
all the brake lines in the proper order.Now, when I first press the brake
pedel, it goes to the floor and after a few pumps it is up fully.While
applyingconstent pressure to the pedel, the pedel remains firm. If I
release, and wait 30 seconds, the pedel will now go to the floor when
depressed.Three more complete line bleeds and the same result. Did I do
something wrong when I bench bled the master cylinder?
Thank you,
Barrie
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:02:14 +0000
From: limegreencuda@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: 300 K on e-bay
Hey there,
If there is no heater on this one why do the coolant hoses run into the firewall ???
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:26:45 -0500
From: <smopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: 300g brake system
> Are you sure the person pressing the brake pedal is waiting to release the pedal until the bleeder screw is retightened during the bleeding process? Otherwise, air gets sucked back in the bleeder.
Steve Albu
> From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
> Date: 2004/01/03 Sat PM 07:02:27 EST
> To: "300club" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "William Barrie" <blueweststudio@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300g brake system
>
> Sounds like the shoe adjustment is way off to me. I would adjust the brakes
> and check again.
> 300ly,
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Barrie <blueweststudio@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: 300club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:57 AM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] 300g brake system
>
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR FELLOW MEMBERS,
>
> I just installed a new master cylinder and I have a problem.Here's
> whats happening. First, all the wheel cylinders have been rebuilt, new lines
> and no leaks.I bench bled the master cylinder following the supplyer's
> instructions, prior to installing. After installing the master, I re-bled
> all the brake lines in the proper order.Now, when I first press the brake
> pedel, it goes to the floor and after a few pumps it is up fully.While
> applyingconstent pressure to the pedel, the pedel remains firm. If I
> release, and wait 30 seconds, the pedel will now go to the floor when
> depressed.Three more complete line bleeds and the same result. Did I do
> something wrong when I bench bled the master cylinder?
>
> Thank you,
> Barrie
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:48:01 -0800 (PST)
From: GERALD OLSON <olson77@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 1960 Mirror Question
Jim, I don't doubt that you have two mirrors on your F
and that they are both remote controlled, but I would
respectfully suggest that the right one was dealer
installed. The correct right hand mirror on those
years was two strut non-remote and the oval whole is
not there in the strut base. Whether they were factory
or dealer installed. I will however bow to the
infinite wisdom of the two gurus in Jonesville and
Tallahassee ! Care to jump in gurus ? Jerry
--- Jim McMullan <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Gerald.My F has both mirrors and they are both 3
> strut and
> both remote controled. If tou want a picture of the
> rt control I can send one,
> let me no. Jim McMullan 300 F
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: GERALD OLSON
>
>
> To: gary_r_23
> Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: 1/3/2004 5:42:16 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 1960 Mirror
> Question
>
>
>
>
>
> Gary, The right side should be a twin strut. The
> strut
>
> base will show the oval mark of the hollow rod but
> the
>
> hole is not there. The tough thing is that there is
> a
>
> short pedestal that goes under the strut base on the
>
> right side! Good luck with this one. Heck I've seen
>
> the left mirror with and without the little pedestal
>
>
> and thy are different. Regards, Jerry
>
> --- gary_r_23 garyandkathie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
>
> I want to add a passenger side fender mirror to my
>
> 1960 and I want to
>
> be sure I buy the correct one. I have the triple
>
> strut remote
>
> adjustable mirror on the driver side, but should
> the
>
> passenger side
>
> mirror also be a triple or a twin strut mirror? On
>
> the remote
>
> adjustable mirror, the center strut houses the
>
> adjuster cables, so
>
> it kind of makes sense that the mirror without
> the
>
> remote would be a
>
> just a twin strut. Does anyone know which is
>
> correct?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:51:38 EST
From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 300 K on e-bay
In a message dated 1/3/2004 4:25:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
limegreencuda@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
>
> Hey there,
> If there is no heater on this one why do the coolant hoses run into the
> firewall ???
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That is certainly a reasonable question!! My guess is someone added some
kind of aftermarket heater. Certainly the car was ordered without one, evidenced
by the plate over the dashpanel opening where the unit would ordinarily go,
and the two button instrument panel control. The picture, at least on my
computor, is a little too dark to see exactly where the hoses go. 300ly, Gil
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:13:20 -0600
From: Marshall R Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300g brake system
Sounds like the brake shoes are not adjusted almost to the drums when the
brakes are at rest. The brake return springs will always try to collapse
the wheel cylinders if the adjusters don't limit the travel of the shoes
hold them near the drum.
The number of pumps it takes to move enough fluid to push the shoes to
the drums depends only on how far they have to move. When the shoes
reach the drums, the pedal becomes firm and stays firm. When the pedal
is released the springs return the shoes to their rest position and the
cycle is repeated the next time braking is required. If there were also
air in the system, the cycle explained above would be the same but the
pedal would always feel spongy.
If it were only air in the system, one pump of the pedal would probably
be enough but the pedal would always feel spongy
Minnesota Marshall
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:57:18 -0800 (PST) William Barrie
<blueweststudio@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> HAPPY NEW YEAR FELLOW MEMBERS,
>
> I just installed a new master cylinder and I have a
> problem.Here's whats happening. First, all the wheel cylinders have
> been rebuilt, new lines and no leaks.I bench bled the master
> cylinder following the supplyer's instructions, prior to installing.
> After installing the master, I re-bled all the brake lines in the
> proper order.Now, when I first press the brake pedel, it goes to the
> floor and after a few pumps it is up fully.While applyingconstent
> pressure to the pedel, the pedel remains firm. If I release, and
> wait 30 seconds, the pedel will now go to the floor when
> depressed.Three more complete line bleeds and the same result. Did I
> do something wrong when I bench bled the master cylinder?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Barrie
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:04:34 -0600
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300 K on e-bay
It said there was a extra coolant tank in the trunk, I am guessing the hoses
go thru the cabin and into the trunk along the trans hump.
I'm also guessing that this was bought to mostly tow with and they got the
"K" for the power.
--
Ray Jones, Jones Ridge, in the Ouachita Mtns near Mena, Western Arkansas
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> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:02:14 +0000
> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] 300 K on e-bay
>
> Hey there,
> If there is no heater on this one why do the coolant hoses run into the
> firewall ???
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 19:03:50 -0500
From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: Power supply
i visited my brother-in-law over newyears. i consider him a world class
electronics engineer(my opinion). i left him with an old nonoperable
dashboard power supply. since i have never had an operable one i cant answer
his questions. he is fully confident he can produce working power
supplies-not necessarily reproductions -but they will work for an economical
price. can anyone answer his questions? thanks, pat grant
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Korzep" <skorzep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: Power supply
> Get home without incident? MA called here about 3:00 to see if you left.
>
>
> I was looking at the power supply today and had 2 questions. There
> doesn't seem to be a control for intensity. Do you know how the cars vary
> the instrument lighting? Is there a resistor in series with the 12 volt
> line to the power supply?
>
> I also notice that a lot of the stuff on the net says that the same power
> supply is used for all the vehicles of that era. But the schematic on the
> net doesn't match the power supply you left here. Any ideas?
>
> Another question......seems even the latest chrysler vehicles use the
> electroluminescent technology. Ever heard of anyone using the newer power
> supplies for the older vehicles?
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:07:08 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fw: Power supply
Hi Pat,
Maybe I can help answer your brother in laws questions. The power supply
draws it's current through the orange wire, which has already come through
the light switch. The dimmer switch controls the power going into the power
supply. There were different styles of the power supply, but they all did
the same thing, converted 12 volt AC to 200 volt DC. I've often thought
about using the new car ones myself. If the plug could be adapted to work
with the original wiring, it should be more reliable.
300ly,
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: patrick grant <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Fw: Power supply
i visited my brother-in-law over newyears. i consider him a world class
electronics engineer(my opinion). i left him with an old nonoperable
dashboard power supply. since i have never had an operable one i cant answer
his questions. he is fully confident he can produce working power
supplies-not necessarily reproductions -but they will work for an economical
price. can anyone answer his questions? thanks, pat grant
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Korzep" <skorzep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: Power supply
> Get home without incident? MA called here about 3:00 to see if you left.
>
>
> I was looking at the power supply today and had 2 questions. There
> doesn't seem to be a control for intensity. Do you know how the cars vary
> the instrument lighting? Is there a resistor in series with the 12 volt
> line to the power supply?
>
> I also notice that a lot of the stuff on the net says that the same power
> supply is used for all the vehicles of that era. But the schematic on the
> net doesn't match the power supply you left here. Any ideas?
>
> Another question......seems even the latest chrysler vehicles use the
> electroluminescent technology. Ever heard of anyone using the newer power
> supplies for the older vehicles?
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:30:42 -0500
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 392 starters
Group,
There's a guy on another mopar site that has two 392 starters for sale,
says one is a 3 hole unit off of a truck.
My question is will a 392 starter work on a 354 ? If so does any one want
a starter for about $65 ? I only need one.
If it won't work on the 354 and you can use the starters, email me and Ill
give you his unfo.
He says they both work but need cleaned up.
Thanks, Jim Faber
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 18:26:06 -0800
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Panelescent Lighting
Pat,
The power supply for the panelescent lighting converts 12 volts DC to 200 volts AC at 250 HZ. The input is controlled by the rheostat on the headlight switch. It is a transistorized unit that is not too difficult to repair, and parts should still be available through electronics stores. It is important to note that one shorted lamp will prevent the whole panel from lighting.
There is good coverage of the function and theory behind the system on page 61 of the 1960 service manual. I know this was used on the Chryslers and Imperials in the early '60s as well as the '66 Dodge Charger, don't know about later cars.
Bob J
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 19:35:40 -0800
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1966 300 Sport
Dear Club,
A friend of ours is selling his car, which we looked at today, with the club
in mind. Here's the lowdown.
1966 Chrysler 300 2 door Sport
It has a 383 with a 4 barrel on it. The motor sounds great, though needs a
tune up, a new fuel pump and the valve cover gaskets replaced.
Air Conditioning blows cold inside the car.
Defrost & heater buttons actuate what they are supposed to, though no heat
blows out.
Power windows work, though the rears need help, as they are very slow.
Rear defrost is present, though doesn't blow.
AM radio makes some crackling, though no stations come through. It does
have the rear speaker control knob under the dash.
Power antenna is there, though broken off in the up position.
Power trunk release located in the glove box does pop the trunk.
The center console is there, though the door located in the center needs to
be replaced as it's off its hinges.
The center console vacuum/power gauge works.
Interior is black buckets in the front and bench in the rear. All original
and in exceptional shape, headliner & door panels included. Carpet has
factory heel boards in the front, though the carpet should be replaced.
Transmission apparently slips between 2nd & 3rd, which probably means it
needs to be rebuilt.
Master cylinder needs to be replaced, as it appears to be leaking where it
meets the booster.
I don't know the shape of the brakes or the front suspension.
Both front fenders have been hit and they should be replaced, along with the
front grill.
Right rear quarter has a dent and the right rear taillight is broken along
with its housing.
Black vinyl top has rotted away, though there is no rust anywhere.
I don't know the original color of the exterior as it has been repainted,
though it needs paint again. Car is currently a charcoal/black color.
Front bumper has a decent ding in it on the driver's side.
All 14" hubcaps are present.
I was not able to drive the car, though my friend used it as a daily driver
for a year before obtaining a more fuel efficient car for his commute to &
from college.
Car has been sitting since 1997.
It's a good rust free California car, needing body, paint and some
mechanical.
He would like $1850 for the car.
I would like the car as a daily driver, though it's too much of a project
for us at this time. If anyone in the club is interested, please let us
know.
The car lives near the city of Orange, California.
I have several pictures I can e-mail if anyone is interested.
Matt & Jennifer Allyn
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:59:09 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Panelescent Lighting
Interesting that someone should mention that modern Chryslers use
Panelescent lighting. Indeed they do. My friend Bob Haag gave me a
panelescent setup off his Sebring? Intrepid? ; the only panelescence on
that car is... the shifter lighting !
Anyway, a very very small power supply operates the thing.. I immediately
hooked it up to 12 volts and the shifter lighting worked. So I disconnected
it and tried it on
a '60 speedometer. Unfortunately, way too dim. It DID work, and it did
light up the speedo, but very dim...
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:05:29 -0500
From: whuff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Power supply
>Howdy,
One of the MOPAR mags had an article on how to build a solid state power
supply that was suitable for 60's and early 70's cars. Standard Radio
Shack stuff, real simple. I think it might have been Mopar Action, I will
have to check my old stacks of magazines. All the MOPARs I am familiar
with use a variable resister in series with the instrument light circuit to
vary the intensity.
Bill Huff
>i visited my brother-in-law over newyears. i consider him a world class
>electronics engineer(my opinion). i left him with an old nonoperable
>dashboard power supply. since i have never had an operable one i cant answer
>his questions. he is fully confident he can produce working power
>supplies-not necessarily reproductions -but they will work for an economical
>price. can anyone answer his questions? thanks, pat grant
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stan Korzep" <skorzep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:43 PM
>Subject: Power supply
>
>
> > Get home without incident? MA called here about 3:00 to see if you left.
> >
> >
> > I was looking at the power supply today and had 2 questions. There
> > doesn't seem to be a control for intensity. Do you know how the cars vary
> > the instrument lighting? Is there a resistor in series with the 12 volt
> > line to the power supply?
> >
> > I also notice that a lot of the stuff on the net says that the same power
> > supply is used for all the vehicles of that era. But the schematic on the
> > net doesn't match the power supply you left here. Any ideas?
> >
> > Another question......seems even the latest chrysler vehicles use the
> > electroluminescent technology. Ever heard of anyone using the newer power
> > supplies for the older vehicles?
>
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:27:10 -0800
From: "Fern Rivard" <crc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fw: Power supply
Don, just a little correction here. You mean that the power pack converts 12
volts dc to 200 volts ac don't you(not the other way around as you quoted) ?
I should really have a look at the schematic on one of those as you're right
that it should be fairly simple to repair. Usually in the case of something
like that, it is likely some of the capacitors that due to old age will
require replacing and the new ones available today will be much more
reliable than those old original ones from the early sixties.
Cheers from Fern in Cranbrook SE BC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
To: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Fw: Power supply
> Hi Pat,
> Maybe I can help answer your brother in laws questions. The power supply
> draws it's current through the orange wire, which has already come through
> the light switch. The dimmer switch controls the power going into the
power
> supply. There were different styles of the power supply, but they all did
> the same thing, converted 12 volt AC to 200 volt DC. I've often thought
> about using the new car ones myself. If the plug could be adapted to work
> with the original wiring, it should be more reliable.
> 300ly,
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patrick grant <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:03 PM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Fw: Power supply
>
>
> i visited my brother-in-law over newyears. i consider him a world class
> electronics engineer(my opinion). i left him with an old nonoperable
> dashboard power supply. since i have never had an operable one i cant
answer
> his questions. he is fully confident he can produce working power
> supplies-not necessarily reproductions -but they will work for an
economical
> price. can anyone answer his questions? thanks, pat grant
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan Korzep" <skorzep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:43 PM
> Subject: Power supply
>
>
> > Get home without incident? MA called here about 3:00 to see if you
left.
> >
> >
> > I was looking at the power supply today and had 2 questions. There
> > doesn't seem to be a control for intensity. Do you know how the cars
vary
> > the instrument lighting? Is there a resistor in series with the 12 volt
> > line to the power supply?
> >
> > I also notice that a lot of the stuff on the net says that the same
power
> > supply is used for all the vehicles of that era. But the schematic on
the
> > net doesn't match the power supply you left here. Any ideas?
> >
> > Another question......seems even the latest chrysler vehicles use the
> > electroluminescent technology. Ever heard of anyone using the newer
power
> > supplies for the older vehicles?
>
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:17:46 -0700
From: "KELLY PIERCE" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Panelescent Lighting
Greetings Group-
Chrysler 1960 thru 62, Imperial 1960 thru 63 (maybe later, not sure)
Dodge Charger 1966 and 67 used the electroilluminescent (spelling?)dash
lighting. Jeff Carter in Seattle rebuilds these gauges and power packs, does
excellent work and does it right the first time, is a club member and is
honest and reliable. I can't recommend him any higher, you won't be
disappointed with his work. As far as fixing one of these myself, I don't
know squat about electronics, so no matter how "easy a fix" and parts at a
electronics store are easy to get doesn't help me a bit. My brother in law
might be able to fix one as he is a electronics specialist (career Navy
trained and instructor) but not this kid...So get it to the guy who knows
them and can do it right, once, Jeff Carter.
Joe Pierce 300KX3+M+others
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Panelescent Lighting
Pat,
The power supply for the panelescent lighting converts 12 volts DC to 200
volts AC at 250 HZ. The input is controlled by the rheostat on the
headlight switch. It is a transistorized unit that is not too difficult to
repair, and parts should still be available through electronics stores. It
is important to note that one shorted lamp will prevent the whole panel from
lighting.
There is good coverage of the function and theory behind the system on page
61 of the 1960 service manual. I know this was used on the Chryslers and
Imperials in the early '60s as well as the '66 Dodge Charger, don't know
about later cars.
Bob J
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:24:40 -0700
From: "KELLY PIERCE" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: G parts car
I believe it was Dirty Harry who said that- same actor(Clint Eastwood) Along
with other classic movie lines;"Go ahead, Make my day", "Do you feel
lucky,Punk?".......
Sorry, but as a retired law officer, Dirty Harry got to say what many of us
wished we could on duty, but couldn't without getting suspended or fired any
way. Sorry not 300 related, forgive me. Joe Pierce 300Kx3+M+others
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <lettercars@xxxxxxx>; <agmoon@xxxxxxxxx>; <Moparpjf@xxxxxxx>;
<Kraus300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] RE: G parts car
> Wow! Talk about lettercars with a high risk of becoming parts cars.
>
> Perhaps its time to replace the word "restoration" with "reassembly"?!?
'Cause we (and Gary Goers) sure aren't getting any younger.
>
> Was it Josey Wales who said that "a good man has gotta know his
limitations"? As a fella with many, many, many limitations (especially
mental & financial), I've readjusted my expectations from restored --
to -- driveable. Takes a whole lotta pressure off of the ownership of
junkers as well as adding a whole lotta near-term enjoyment to you AND the
lucky folks at your local cruise-in. Ok, Its a whole lot cheaper, too.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lettercars@xxxxxxx [mailto:lettercars@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:06 AM
> To: agmoon@xxxxxxxxx; Moparpjf@xxxxxxx; Kraus300@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] RE: G parts car
>
>
> Hi A & G and all:
> I guess the "restoration" process begans when one starts to disassemble a
car
> for that intended purpose. I have to (shamefully) admit that time for my
> white F convert was about 1975. That poor car has remained completely
apart
> (only thing still bolted together is the rear axle to the car's paint
stripped
> body) since then. It has been moved in the meantime from Holly to Lansing
to
> Quincy, Michigan, then to Tallahassee. I do believe all parts are still
present
> and accounted for, and make use of it as a guide during the blue F resto.
> Haven't snitched any, either! Is 29 years enough to qualify me for
unoffensive
> restoration speed, Gloria? It might (should?) be grounds for dismissal
from
> the Club! Happy New year and increased restoration progress to y'all in
'04!!
> 300ly, Gil
>
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