George and FLML,
The 1965 alum. case 727A Torqueflite is a cable shift trans. It used
a short cable for column or console shifting. You may use a 1965
Torqueflite with pushbuttons and make a minor change to the valve body; this is
the trans I am using in my 56 Plymouth with Poly 318 Stroker – 390”
drivetrain. A 1966 727A Torqueflite and later are all linkage shift
transmissions and single pump transmissions. 1962-65 727 Transmissions
still used two pumps. The nice feature of the 1965 Torqueflite is the
ability to use it with pushbuttons and its slip-yoke for use with U-joint
instead of the older “ball & trunion” coupling. The old ball and
trunion is strong but costs much more to R&R and it is best to go with the
1965 slip-yoke trans & U-joint in your “modified” drivetrain.
Gary P.
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet
projects
Hello: All
Especially Dave & Fern, I read and
hear your push button message clearly and I agree what you say is correct, but
only correct for production of trucks and automobiles. Many years ago I
discovered that Chrysler used big block aluminum 727 transmissions with cable
operated and with trans brake tail piece in a bunch of non road machines.
Such as farm combines, city road sweepers, and such. I have over the years
sourced more than ten this way. I still have two unused. Also while push button
activation ended with 1965 production, the 1966 aluminum 727 still had cable
shift and works well with push buttons. And the aluminum tail shaft piece with
the trans brake can be swapped to the later aluminum 727.
Up until this project most of my work
has has been to refit my MoPars with as close stock as was possible or at least
make then appear stock. So this 440/727 into a 1956 dodge wagon is a bit of a
change. That is why I asked in an earlier email about putting an aluminum 727
with trans brake behind the 440 and keeping the '56 rear, but many said the
change out the complete drive train. This would then lead to a cable 1966
aluminum 727 for use with the button box as I would not need the trans brake.
...My bad as I omitted the fact that I had a later 727 with a trans
brake....
I'll do my best to be clearer from now
on.
Everyone is giving really great
information, which helps with all the decisions, Just got to love all the
combined knowlage.
George
On Monday, August 1, 2016 12:05 PM, Fern
Rivard <crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Please note that they did NOT use push buttons in
1965.
Fern with 1965 300L ht.
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet
projects
George, Only the 1962 727 for B engines (includes 440) has
the rear brake drum. Up to 1965, 727s used push button cables. For more info on a 727 into a 56 Dodge, see my web
page at: http://webpages.charter.net/dhomstad/TransmissionFrame1Source1.htm
Dave Homstad 56 Dodge D500
----------------------------------------- From: "George McCollam"
<00000386f9f13ba3-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Cc: Sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:09:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet projects
Hello: All
I want to thank everyone
for the responses.
I am going to move
forward on the project, so it looks as if there will be a 440/727,
manual steering, very stock outward appearance, upgraded radiator don't know
about interior yet.
So, now my choice is 727
trans: Do I use the one already attached to the 440 and change out the
rear axle assembly to get an emergency brake? Or do I use a 727 I have that
has the drum trans brake tail piece and keep the '56 rear?
Also the paint has a nice
patina, not show Quality... so I found a product that claims to be able to
cover any patina and protect from further degrade... What to do you
think??? I think Eastwood sells it.
George
On Thursday,
July 28, 2016 8:51 PM, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Good information Dave. I can also attest that my manual steering
56 Plymouth is extremely easy to steer with the 277 V8. The Poly
(approx. 611lbs.) weighs in a bit less than the 440 but not enough to be
concerned with changing suspension components...and the the alum. case 727
with convertor is a lot less than the cast iron Powerflite.
Gary Pavlovich
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet projects
George,
Because of the large diameter 56 Dodge
steering wheel and the steering gear box ratio, my 56 Dodge steers very easy
without power steering. At any speed over 2 mph it is very easy steering.
When I installed a 727 into my Dodge behind
the original Dodge Hemi, I did not have to relocate the trans
crossmember. The length from the front of the trans to the trans mount
is the same on a 727 as a PowerFlight, however I think manual trans are
different. Dave Homstad
----------------------------------------- From: "George McCollam"
<00000386f9f13ba3-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Cc: Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:52:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet projects
Hello: All
Phillip asked if there
would be a problem adding power steering because of the manual trans.
My thought is no...as
I would be removing the manual trans to make way for the 440/727. Now if I
put in a Poly 318 as was suggested, I still would think there would be no
problem. It is my understanding that all coxial power steering units were
identical no matter what platform they were put in. Please advise if this is
wrong.
So far most seem to
like the fit, (installing the 440/727) I'm warming up to it. I really wanted
to put the baby Hemi in but the cost is heavy and funds need to go to
committed project (eg, 56 Crown Imperial Limousine) that is almost
done.
It is really great to
have knowlagable people to bounce ides off.
I have a bare empty 56
wagon frame that I will use to pre fit motor mounts and the trans mount. so
that should help things go faster.
So since I have a
donner coxial steering shaft do I install it or stay with manual steering???
I think I'm becoming a wimp as the idea of power steering sounds
better....
Thanks George
On
Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:33 AM, Philip Maniatty
<pmaniatty@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Would there be a problem adding power steering, considering
that your Dodge has a three speed manual transmission?
From: George McCollam
<00000386f9f13ba3-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:06
PM
Subject: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining
incomplet projects
On Tuesday, July 26, 2016
4:00 PM, George McCollam <mccollamge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello: All
I'm finally
getting to the spring cleaning of my garage. I find that I have several
things from several different projects that I will never complete. So,
what like to bounce off all of you is the idea of combining some of
these diverse project parts into one project.
I have a
440 & 727 unit, and I have a 56 Dodge station wagon complete but
without the baby Hemi.
What if I
combine the two???..... Good Idea...Bad Idea???
I am more
of a original restorer guy than a mix and match builder. But I do have
these parts and I do need a driver . What is the down side and problems
in fitting the 440 into the 56???
I won't get
mad if anyone thinks it's a bad idea, and I won't get real happy if
anyone thinks it's a good idea because it will be a lot of work.
FYI, The
things that I am short on are time and money, I do have a lot of parts.
The 56 Dodge wagon is a 4 door, manual steering 3 speed standard over
drive trans, and in very nice condition but for paint, interior is
original and in very use able condition. I do also have a coaxial power
steering unit for it if needed.
So, the end
result might be a 56 Dodge wagon very stock looking with a mild 440 and
727 for just running around to get parts, and groceries.
Thanks in
advance for any comments.
George
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