Dave,
Perhaps I did not make it clear on my explanation, My Powerflite was
wound tight 5000 RPM's at 50 feet from the end of the quarter mile, the
shift into drive was like a kick in the ass with a big surge forward over the
finish line.
The Powerflite was always in it's power range from 30 MPH to 80 MPH with a
super push into drive a 5000 RPM's. Also my 56 was torque up against the brake
to spin the tires up to 30 MPH when the light went green
.
It is a fact that a 2 bbl carb is faster off the starting line for the
first 20 feet then a 4 bbl carb, and a 4 bbl carb is faster then dual carbs for
the first 20 feet from the starting line.
( 20 feet off the line in drag racing is about one car length)
Dave, on paper what you say makes sense, but my opinion is the
lower first gear ratio should be quicker but the dual carbs from a dead stop should
be quicker but instead they were neutralized by the fact that the
2/4 bbl dumped enough gas to slow the car off the line. When racing a 3 speed
torqueflite they would start closing the gap on my 56
that was ahead of them, but before they could close the gap
between us they would shift into second gear which took them out of their power
range and they would drop back when in second gear while my 2 speed
powerflight was still in its full power range.
I hung out with guys with 56,57, 58 Fury's and Golden commando. My best
friend Frank Lewis had a 57 Fury 318 and really want to beat my 56. One day he
asked me what I would do if I had a 57 Fury to make it faster? I told him one
four barrow carburetor and a 391-1 rear end gears. Well later I was
sorry that I gave him that advise-------he went to one 4 bbl and 391-1 gears and
I had a hell of a time beating him. He would cross the 1/4 mile finish line
right ahead of my rear bumper. If I was slow on the starting line he
could jump me and beat me.
My average time in the quarter mile was 15.50 seconds, later I went with
the factory optional package of dual four carbs, factory hotter cam, 391-1 rear
gears, wider tires and traction bars and turned in my best time of 14.58
seconds.------( and still stock and Powerflite)
Ron
In a message dated 9/4/2015 3:21:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dhomstad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Ron,
The 56 Mopars had 15 inch wheels and the 57s had 14 inch wheels. With
the rear ratios you mentioned, the engine rpm in high gear should be close
enough as to make no difference.
With these gears, these Mopars would
need to be moving at nearly 120 mph at the end of a 1/4 mile to be near the
engine rpm red line of about 5000 rpm and wound tight. This mph needs a car
capable of 12 second 1/4s. Ain't no way a stock 56/57 Mopar is going to get
there that fast.
The advantage 57s had was a much lower first
gear in a TorqueFlite. The advantage 56s had was 400 lbs less weight.
I'd place my money on a 56 D500 with a TorqueFlite.
Dave
Homstad 56 Dodge D500/ TorqueFlite
----------------------------------------- From: "Ron Swartley"
<0000109753cb24f9-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Cc: Sent:
Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:25:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 57 Custom Royal Lancer
D500 badging
Dan,
The powerflite 2 speed automatic D
500 in 56 has 354-1 or 373-1 rear end gears stock and the 57 D 500
with Toqureflite 3 speed came with a 331- 1 rear end gears. In a quarter
mile that makes a big difference. I raced both for more than 20 years..
Powerflite 2 speeds were wound tight at the end of the quarter mile and
Toqureflites are not peaked out with stock rears.
Ron Allyn Swartley
Hi Daniel:
I'll have to agree with Gary. Back in June 1956, I purchased a
new D-500 with the Coronet 2-door body. Had the 315 Hemi and a single
carb. Weight with a full tank of gas was 3685 lbs. When the '57
D-500's came out, one of the dealer's salesmen challenged me to a
race. From a dead start, we were even for about 5 feet and from then
on it was my race! He also had a 2-door model with the 325 hemi and a
sinlge carb. I went into the Air Force in May of 1957 and the only car
that ever beat me until then was a tri-power Pontiac and that was by only a
length or two in 0.6 miles.
Dan Reitz
Bell Canyon, CA
In a message dated 9/3/2015 2:31:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
glpavlovich@xxxxxxx writes:
Daniel,
I
place my "bet" on the lighter chassis; '57 Firesweep, if it is indeed
lighter. Gary Pavlovich 56 Plymouth w/Poly 318
Stroker
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Davids Sent:
Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:22 PM To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [FWDLK] 57 Custom Royal Lancer
D500 badging
Fellow Forward Lookers,
I’m currently doing a
bit of overdue tuning and sprucing up the engine compartment of my
1957 CRL. My example is two-tone green with the D500 engine option (325
hemi, block stamped KD500).
I have a question about the badge
on the trunk lid of this year, model, and engine option. Should it
not have a red and black “500” emblem in place of the helmeted lancer
with spear?
The brochures for this year Dodge are pretty short on
explanation of option packages.
Cheers from wet and soggy
Seattle — a nice change from 10 weeks of straight sunshine (not
normal),
Dan Davids
P.S. Once we get her running again, we
plan to do a runoff of sorts with my 57 Firesweep, which as the 325
poly. The numbers for horsepower and torque would say the CRL is
quicker, but my son thinks the lighter weight (lower trim) Firesweep
will prevail.
Bets?
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