I have a 57 Belvedere 2dr post with 301 4bbl and 3sp with OD, cruises at 85 easy and gets good mileage. bought it for parts for my conv. but not sure if I should part it out.
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From: Brent Burger <cgico@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: L-FORWARDLOOK <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:31 am
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] interesting
But Jim ! Your friend is going to lose all those judging points when vying for that cheesy plastic trophy !!!!
B.
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On Sep 21, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Jim Rawa wrote:
there is a difference you can feel when driving with added torque multiplication of 3 gears... hate to say it but powerflite cars kinda suck to drive... slush along until 2nd, then its over... my friend daily drives a 56 firedome, equipped with 300D 392 [yes, bumps in the valve covers, 2 WCFB's n all] and street parks it just on the utshirts of philadelphia PA... i just built his a liquid cooled torqueflite for it as he was running the 56 powerflite behind the hemi just to keep his pushbuttons, well, we got a 5 button unit, 56 imperial torqueflite buttons, and fabbed a 1-off 56 desoto 5 button selector plate. he is exstatic over the improved driving of the car, city fuel economy has gone up drastically, though highway is the same obviously [noted on his 3 hr trip a few weeks ago] this is a car that get driven to TX, RI, and canada for business somewhat regularly...
its just a personal preference... i just picked up a 13k mile survivor 301 2bbl savoy 2dr, with powerflite... its already out- gave it to a friend who needed an emergency trans...
but this is coming from a guy who ditches a .030 over fresh 318/iron TF with only 2700 miles on it, to sell to a friend.. to swap in a 300E equipped 440 into my 2dr57 wagon with 65 cable 727... so far with about 100 miles since i put it al in and did my run-in... i'm seeing the same fuel use with the 440 and 3.23 suregrip as i did with 318 and 2.76 center... more torque on tap means less work... case in point - more torque multiplication = less work, so a 3spd trand makes a more efficient, and peppy car!
in other cars i'll run 11:1 440s with 4.10 gears for 2-7 hr trips... alot of members have seen it and know the car[s] i speak of!
why do you think most modern vehicles of quality run 5 or 6 speed automatics? its to stay in a managed powerband for economy, and performance.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Burger < cgico@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: L-FORWARDLOOK < L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:59 pm
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] interesting
What's the problem with a Powerflite ? I had one in my 56 Adventurer. Never noticed anything wrong with it. That car scooted right along, cooled fine. Guys make a big deal out of the T-flite over the P-flite, but honestly, with the way most people drive them, who cares ?
BTW - the 58 Plaza I am currently restoring is a bare bones stripper - black walls, dog dishies, no trim and monotone paint, no radio, etc. ..... but it got 318, TF, PS, PB, and A/C ! Go figger !
B.
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On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Ron Hilbert wrote:
You forgot the rear end gear ratio has to be changed as well.
PowerFlight is a 3.54 ratio and the TorqueFlight is a 3.36 ratio.
In addition you also have to change the radiator as the PowerFlight is air cooled. Add the coolant lines from the transmission to the radiator.
It adds up to a lot of expense…
Too bad it didn't come from the factory with a TorqueFlight.
Ron Hilbert
57 Plymouth Belvedere convertible
there's a ginger-colored 57 belv on ebay, or was recently... the 6cyl PS issue spawned recollection of something interesting about that car.. its a 2drht, power steering, power brakes, power windows, 301 4bbl car... with a POWERFLITE!!???!!
who chose all those options, if it was factory delivered as such... but kept the 1,2, thats it trans?
just odd. all that one needs is a trans swap, driveshaft, cable, actuator, buttons, bezel, and TV linkage swap and its golden!
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