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Roger, Roger, Roger,
You could not be more
wrong then saying ANYTHING CAN'T HAPPEN ON THE CHRYSLER ASSEMBLY LINE. I
am an extremist that started collection Chrysler Corporation cars in 1956. It
was a different time back then things move much much slower. The assembly line
supervisor could program anything into the assembly line that he could
access from Chrysler Corperation. Now I am not saying this was
common, practice offered to the public , but if an high ranking
executive want a (---example----) a 1956 Dodge HARDTOP with the D-500-1
engine in it and Dodge did not offer that engine in a
Hardtop, and he wanted it right off the assembly
line......well..... he just had the super visor of the assembly line
program that optional D-500-1 race engine into a black HARDTOP even though
it was not available in a hardtop but only in a 2 Dr Sedan or convertible. The
executives could get most any combination they wanted if they had a high
position in the company. The whole world has corruption and change for the
better and the worse mixed in almost everything that has ever been
done by man. Please do not believe that the Chrysler Assembly Line was the only
thing that ran perfectly and had no exceptions to the standard rules of
assembly. A close friend of mine ordered a 59 Plymouth and said he would
like to have the blue design Dodge seats in it. The Plymouth dealer had a
very big dealership and had a lot of pull with the company. He got exactly what
my friend wanted and charged him $31 dollar more. The Chrysler 300 F was
advertised with a 4 speed french gearbox. However you could not order one unless
you were a full time racer, ( like Norm Thatcher, Andy Grantelli, etc) They
only made approximately 15 of them. A lot of the experimental cars were started
because of upper management ideas of what would really appeal to the times
that they were produced in. Ramchargers built some wild stuff in very limited
production. I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea.
After more then 54 years of buying, selling and racing Mopar's, I
get a great laugh when someone says "Chrysler would never do that".
LOL
Ron Allyn Swartley
PS. When I mention PROGRAM. I use that world for lack of a better
word such as planned or scheduled--computer were not common back
then.
In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:10:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
NO! Anything was NOT possible on the
Chrysler assembly line !!! They were in the business of making cars to
sell, and the line was to keep going except for emergencies. Cars with
minor defects were corrected off the end of the line. So does anyone
really think that the assembly guys ran over to the Dodge plant, got a front
clip and all the trimmings, carried it back to the Plymouth plant or Chrysler
plant, got it in sequence and put it on a production car? Just to make a
one-off?
Canadian cars, such as Dodge Kingsways, are
a different matter, as they were assembled in Canada. Export models such
as DeSoto Diplomat were sequenced for their peculiar mix of
parts.
Do you know how few bolts hold on the front clip
on these cars? It's a pretty simple matter for a hobbyist to change
clips and have a one-of-none car.
Why put a '59 Dodge clip on a 300D?
Dunno. It's buttugly. But it's may be do-able, and the front
medallion could be crafted by anyone. There's still the wheelbase issue,
unless maybe the body and frame started life as a '58 Windsor with 122"
wheelbase. Working the other way, let's suppose some guy started with a
'58 Windsor and wanted to clone a 300. He couldn't use a 300C-D-E front
clip, so he'd have to find something else that would fit a 122" wheelbase,
like a '59 Dodge. Makes as much or more sense than somebody cobbling up
a real 300.
Perhaps there were some products like this out of
the special or experimental shops at Chrysler, we may still have some list
members who worked there then, BUT I'd discourage this line of thinking in
favor of the considerable likelihood that some restorer did this in his
backyard. The reason I say this is that it denegrates Chrysler Corp. to
make it sound like they just threw stuff together. They weren't
anal-retentive about documenting things like some car makers, but that was
probably because their main interest was getting them out the door and on
their way to dealers.
--Roger van Hoy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:18
AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
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Apologize for my initial overreaction. Regarding the
pics....while I suppose "anything" is possible on a Chrysler assembly
line, especially with export models, I myself cannot fathom why a
restorer would go to all the time, trouble, expense and effort to
restore a "wrecked" 300 letter car only to undermine their own
reconstruction by putting a Dodge front clip on it.
BTW, did you happen to notice that is does distinctly say "300" on
the lower part of the hood ornament?
In any event...best to just let this one rest and simply move
on.
--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Jim Rawa
<jrawa@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, November
8, 2010, 12:24 PM
corrections... noticed as hitting send...
[tuffshift]
pictures
and should have said chassis/platform regarding the H to avoid
any corrections since 60-up are unitized body construction-
-----Original
Message----- From: Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx> To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:17
am Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
hmmmm... that wasnt a
personal attack on you [tuffshit]... but more of an education for
those out there who believe "the story"- i've only owned 75 or more
57-9 mopars covering almost every model made- except a 59 windsor-
why i made the comment of not sure- that right there would be a 58
windsor [not 57 - telltale =windshield] with a 59 dodge nose
and "Letter" trim.... a 59 is a completely different car,
fins etc..
picuteres are nice... but
you're more than welcome to come and visit, see all 3 chassis
[118,122, and 126"] with and without bodies, and i will give an
in-person demonstration of how a dodge nose WILL NOT be an
interchangeable item on a full size chrysler.
letter cars did not
downsize until '62 to 122" when the H was built on the
newport/dodge880 chassis.
-----Original
Message----- From: Karl Peterson < tuffshift@xxxxxxxxx> To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent:
Sun, Nov 7, 2010 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
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"so the "story" of a 300E with a dodge nose
didnt happen, unless of course they also swapped the chassis-
since im not sure if the windsor in 59 was a 122" wb like 57/8
windsors..."
The "STORY", ya say? Like what are
alluding?....that I just made that up? Here, for your
edification:
Sure looks like 1959 300E with a 1959 Dodge front clip on
it to me. What say you now about my
"story"?
--- On Sun, 11/7/10, Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
From:
Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx>
Subject:
Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:
Sunday, November 7, 2010, 1:50 PM
all that is is a 58 savoy that needed a nose after a
possible accident and a 59 dodge nose was available... all
118/122" wb noses interchange- that means all plymouths,
dodges, and desoto firesweep and chrysler windsor.
the firedome and full size chryslers are 126wb and the
fenders are longer- so the "story" of a 300E
with a dodge nose didnt happen, unless of course they also
swapped the chassis- since im not sure if the windsor in 59
was a 122" wb like 57/8 windsors...
-----Original
Message----- From: Jan & Roger van Hoy < vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent:
Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
Some of these weird
combinations are the offspring of some freaky creative
types, not factory issued. A while back there was a
"factory" '61 "Mexican" Plymouth with a Dodge front clip
that was debunked by some of our list members as a recent
creation. It helps that the front doors were basically
the same on many different models. GM copied that idea
in '59.
--Roger van Hoy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday,
November 06, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK]
OK, WTF is this?
You think that's
weird....I saw a pic of a 59 Chrysler 300E with a 59
Dodge front clip on it. Ma Chrysler had some
really odd "Frankensteins" during the days of the
FWDLK era.
--- On Sat, 11/6/10,
Daniel Andersson <danne.mobil@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From:
Daniel Andersson <danne.mobil@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject:
Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:
Saturday, November 6, 2010, 11:51 AM
Sine the owner says that the VIN is incorrect
this car isn't real but there was Plymouths
built with Dodge front clip.
In Sweden in the 50s (aswell as in Canada)
the was Plymouths with DeSoto front = DeSoto
Diplomat and there was Plymouths with Dodge front
= Dodge Kingsway. The Kingsway had the Plymouth
dash but with the letters "D O D G E" in the
aluminium around the speedo instead of "P L Y M O
U T H". Here is a few cars left here in
Sweden mostly 4 door sedan sine most of them
where used as taxis when they where new. If
you searh for the "Kingsway" I think you can
find the information
Daniel Andersson
Sweden
----- Original
Message -----
Sent:
Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:06 AM
Subject:
[FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
I know Chrysler did the Plodge thing
in Canada, but a 59 Dodge nose on a '58
Plymouth body, this isn't real is it?
Adam Lindenbaum
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