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To address your second item,
listed below, I would like to reference the email of 11/2/07
from Mr. Kahlenberg. They made it up.
Would you agree, or would you call him a liar ?
In the "old days" everyone did not own
dynamometers or track timing light assemblies.
You basically read what was printed and
believed it, or not. By 1969, the NHRA no
longer believed Mopar's published figures.
The 275 horsepower was "factored" to 300, and
the tri-powered big-block Vettes and 426
Hemi cars could have been published at whatever
rating the factory wished, as long as they
chose an appropriate rpm to go along with it.
The 426 Hemi was only 425 hp as long as the
rpms were kept under 5500, for example.
Now, you can get your car dyno'd at most
big meets, and the local Austin-Healey Club
runs timing lights when we autocross. My
G-Tech can give astounding, true, numbers.
Nay-sayers could argue for correction for
temperature, and altitude, and so on, without end.
Zora Arkus-Duntov did some fine preparation
of the old vettes and raced for some records,
until the factory put a stop to that.
The factories then supported their chosen favorites by
help "out the back door" to those teams.
Some have come forward, in print, and I believe them.
Our "proof" of the cars from back then
would be verified if a current owner would step up.
I quote Mr. Kahlenberg:
Fellow Forwardlookers:
I read with much interest the discussion of the horsepower
designated for the various cars. Mr. Ross Roy and his company was responsible
for corporate publicity and the printing and text of brochures. Being a personal
friend of Ross, a man who started a comparison publication for Dodge vs the
competition in 1928 with his brother in Detroit, I am personally aware of how
the horsepower rating was determined.
As an example, in 1954, prior to the introduction of the Forward
look 55 Plymouth V8, Mr. Roy was aware that Chevy was going to
introduce their V8. So here is how they bested the Chevy and Ford horsepower
ratings. Since they knew where the Chevy and Ford publications were being
printed, they (Ross Roy including some cohorts) went into the trash bins and
pulled out the printing culls. They made sure that the horsepower ratings were
included.
After this mid-night escapade, Ross and his staff met and
determined what horsepower would be placed in their publication (brochure) Bear
in mind, the number was going to be higher than either competitor. Somehow, I
remember 177 was he number.
So, the number was semi-realistic with a bit of smudge for
posterity.
Sherwood Kahlenberg
P.S. Kudos to Neil and Tim for their discussions and facts.
Thanks for virtually listening, Tom S
southern Ohio in thunder and lightning rain storms.
From: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List on behalf of Jan & Roger van Hoy Sent: Sun 11/11/2007 6:11 AM To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Whatta Drag (News).... JUST THE FACTS !!!
What PROOF do you have that the D500-1 was not
disallowed in Stock Class?
What PROOF do you have that Chrysler
OVER-estimated gross HP in the 1950's?
What PROOF do you have of what HP the
D500-1 was producing at the
rear wheels?
What PROOF do you have of the D500-1
car's actual weight?
PROOF as in hard fast empirical data, not some dusty old
magazine rag that wanted to improve its circulation.
You ain't documented s - - t !!!
--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56
Plymouth, '66 Plymouth, '41 Dodge
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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Whatta Drag (News).... > > Virtually every red-herring, and obfuscation, that you're raising now, > has already been discussed and or documented in the many earlier > postings on this subject. > > To bring you up to speed (ahem), we are now attempting to try document > any D500-1 official race results, in which classes, and are trying to > confirm the 1956-ish NHRA rules regarding class placements. > > Neil Vedder ************************************************************* To unsubscribe or set your subscription options,
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