Re: [FWDLK] 57 Plymouth rot issues

["Bill K." <pontiac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Roger -

Oh I know people are going to try to nitpick it down price-wise.  Thats why
I look over other cars and see what's out there.  I don't really expect
someone to pay $2K for a car that doesn't run, but it might be worth that to
someone local instead of paying half that for a similar car out of state
only to have to pay as much to have it hauled here.  I'm rather amazed no
one's jumped at the opening bid, to be honest.

This is apparently the same guy who bought a beat up no windows '57 in a
previous auction.  I don't know what his deal is exactly.. wants somethng
for nothing I guess.

When I mentioned POR-15 I said it would be a temporary repair.  I don't
think it's rusted all that badly, unless it relates to the quality control
issues once the rot gets inside the body.  The rest of it all looks perfect,
no signs of rotting out from inside.  I've dealt with some of this stuff in
some other cars - one a '51 Chevy I still have in the garage - I think some
people just make bodywork a bigger deal than it really is.   Cars rust,
especially here with all the salt on the roads.   Do a temp fix, get it
running and enjoy it and come back and fix it right later... or run it until
it can't be fixed and part it for the next one.  Beats letting it sit and
rot further.   I mean, it's not a Fury - I don't see many guys wanting to do
an all-out concours restoration on one of these.  If they do, they'll start
with a nicer car or won't mind putting another top on it. Heck cut the top
off and make a ragtop out of it...  put a big phony Carson top on it... hmm,
that might be a little weird.  But have some fun with it anyhow -



Bill K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Howard" <roger.d.howard@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bill K." <pontiac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 57 Plymouth rot issues


> Bill,
> 1) A guy looking to buy a car is always going to knock it down, esp over
> EBay.
> 2) Roof rail rust-thru IS a serious matter...many purists do NOT slap on
> POR-15 and call it good...it goes way beyond that.*
> 3) There are still '61's out there, but as you've said, they are getting
> harder to find every year. They are not a popular car...voted most most
ugly
> by many...so those who love 'em are going to be 'different'.
> Roger
>
> * I had it explained to me when I started in on my 59 convertible...if you
> took short-cuts on metal prep, my painter would NOT guarantee the paint
> job...paint jobs these days (thx to EPA) are 4K +.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill K." <pontiac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:42 PM
> Subject: [FWDLK] 57 Plymouth rot issues
>
>
> > So this Plymouth I'm trying to sell, has a drip rail off one side of the
> > roof.
> >
> > Now it's not my car, but I have this clown e-mail me through eBay giving
> me
> > basically a bunch of, well manure, over the prices on it because "it's
so
> > rusty it's only good for some trim pieces" ....   I set the prices more
or
> > less based on the owner's asking price and where he said to start it out
> at,
> > plus where others have sold in past auctions.
> >
> > So the question is this - how likely is the car to need major work
because
> > the drip rail area is rusted?  I would think you could POR-15 the heck
out
> > of it for a temp repair until it's time to paint the car.  I'm being
told
> it
> > has major structural problems there, but by someone who's only basing
that
> > on a photo.
> >
> > Even if this is a major repair, it's not that hard to find others like
> this
> > in the junkyard that have no undersides left, cut the roof right off, if
> > you're going to totally redo the paint on this you'd have the glass out
> > anyways - so cut it off like you were going to chop it and weld the
other
> > top on.  Couple days work.  Not that big a deal relative to hanging new
> > floors, rockers and quarter panels, I don't think.
> >
> > I don't think it's a bad car at all, given that it needs pretty minimal
> work
> > to make a driver out of it, so long as you can round up a motor that
would
> > bolt in or at least work with the trans in it.  Even there you could
> change
> > the whole drivetrain out if you had to.  Have never seen one of these in
> the
> > local car shows, because for the most part if you want one you need to
go
> > out west to find one that's not rotted.
> >
> > There is a second set of the photos up at
> > www.angelfire.com/ny5/classicauto/57plymouth.html with a good close up
of
> > the rusted area.
> >
> > Opinions?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bill K.
> >
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