does anyone out there have the paint numbers used on a 56 dodge in the white
and coral upgraded to the new basecoat/clearcoat paints??
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Topics of the day:
1. kickdown problem on '57 Tqf (related to runaway 2-3 upshift ?)
2. '57 Fargo Custom Express ??
3. Flat tires
4. 1958 Plymouth engine paint colors?
5. FW: [FWDLK] 1958 Plymouth engine paint colors?
6. 60 DeSoto lead
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:13:48 +0200
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: kickdown problem on '57 Tqf (related to runaway 2-3 upshift ?)
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her's my second Torqueflite problem :
I never have a "forced kickdown downshift" since i rebuilt the Tqf (i
don't know if the car kickdowned before as it was not running..)
The car downshifts well if i slow down but if i push the gas pedal to
floor the car remains in 3.
I've tried to lenghten the throttle rod, result has been that trans.
upshifts at higher speed. Now the 1-2 upshift occurs at 15-20 mph (with
light throttle) and the 2-3 at 30-35 with light throttle. If i put
heavier pressure on pedal the shifts occur at higher speeds (as 30 and
50 may be, i don't test often because the runaway 2-3 !!).
Note that if i uphift manually with buttons i've also the 2-3 runaway.
I've looked at various manuals about kickdown linkage. About "forcing
kickdown" they say: "depressing the pedal past the detent "feel" near
wide open throttle. What is this detent feel ? What must i "feel" ?
(The FSM talks about a kickdown detent plug on stem of kdwn valve which
supplies the resistance necessary for a detent "feel". but i don't know
how works this plug which slides on the kdwn valve stem). Does this
imply that i must feel then overcome a hard point at end of accelerator
pedal travel ?
I've also read somewhere that "accelerator pedal must permit a
transmission kickdown without compressing the floor mat" (if not adjust
pedal-to-bell crank). Perhaps (even if i set up the pedal at 118°) my
pedal doesn't permit to go in kickdown range ?
Surprisingly i've read on the IML page someone (Peter) who had the same
problem than me !!
(http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Transmission/kickdown.htm). Don't
know if Peter has solved the problem and how...
Thanks to all for the messages.
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Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)- Webmaster des sites ACCF et C-I-F
Imperial 1957 Crown convertible
Buick 1996 Roadmaster wagon
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France (C-I-F) : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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her's my second Torqueflite problem :<br>
I never have a "forced kickdown downshift" since i rebuilt the Tqf (i don't
know if the car kickdowned before as it was not running..)<br>
The car downshifts well if i slow down but if i push the gas pedal to floor
the car remains in 3.<br>
<br>
I've tried to lenghten the throttle rod, result has been that trans.
upshifts
at higher speed. Now the 1-2 upshift occurs at 15-20 mph (with light
throttle)
and the 2-3 at 30-35 with light throttle. If i put heavier pressure on pedal
the shifts occur at higher speeds (as 30 and 50 may be, i don't test often
because the runaway 2-3 !!).<br>
<br>
Note that if i uphift manually with buttons i've also the 2-3 runaway.<br>
<br>
I've looked at various manuals about kickdown linkage. About "forcing
kickdown"
they say: "depressing the pedal past the detent "feel" near wide open
throttle.
What is this detent feel ? What must i "feel" ? (The FSM talks about a
kickdown
detent plug on stem of kdwn valve which supplies the resistance necessary
for a detent "feel". but i don't know how works this plug which slides
on
the kdwn valve stem). Does this imply that i must feel then overcome a hard
point at end of accelerator pedal travel ?<br>
I've also read somewhere that "accelerator pedal must permit a transmission
kickdown without compressing the floor mat" (if not adjust pedal-to-bell
crank).
Perhaps (even if i set up the pedal at 118°) my pedal doesn't permit to
go
in kickdown range ?<br>
<br>
Surprisingly i've read on the IML page someone (Peter) who had the same
problem than me !! (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Transmission/kickdown.htm";>http://w
ww.imperialclub.com/Repair/Transmission/kickdown.htm</a>).
Don't know if Peter has solved the problem and how...<br>
<br>
Thanks to all for the messages.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)- Webmaster des sites ACCF et C-I-F
Imperial 1957 Crown convertible
Buick 1996 Roadmaster wagon
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.accf.com";>http://www.accf.com</a>
- Chrysler Imperial France (C-I-F) : <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f";>http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f</a>
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " : <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad";>http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad</a>
- SportsCars : <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar";>http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtc
ar</a>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:41:40 -0700
From: Bill Watson <wwatson@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: '57 Fargo Custom Express ??
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Fargo trucks were built in Detroit export markets from 1934 until the late
1980's (and in Windsor from 1936) and for Canadian Plymouth-Plymouth-Fargo
Truck dealers from 1936 to 1972. So a Fargo is not that rare.
Even more rare than a 1957 Fargo truck would be a 1957 DeSoto truck. They
were built only for markets outside Canada and the U.S.
In Mopar/Chryco truck-speak, "express" is "pick-up". The term was used
through the late 1950's.
The "custom" was an interior trim option that included, depending upon the
year, two-tone seats & door panels, two sun visors, horn ring and wrap
around rear window.
Now, if you want a really rare truck, find a 1957 Fargo Sweptside express
with custom interior! The 1957-59 Dodge/Fargo/DeSoto Sweptside trucks used
the 1957-58 Dodge Coronet 2-door Suburban rear fenders and taillights,
chrome, two-toning and all. They were all ½-ton models on the 116"
wheelbase.
Do not have production figures for the Sweptside or custom trim option, but
1957 was hardly a production low point for Chrysler in truck sales.
Chrysler built 4,510 Dodge/Fargo/DeSoto V8 ½-ton express models on the 108"
wheelbase and 10,032 on the 116" wheelbase. Compare that to 1956 with
1,765 on the 108" wheelbase and 2,530 on the 116" wheelbasse or 1958 with
2,435 on the 108" wheelbase and 6,067 on the 116" wheelbase.
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Graefen
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:38 PM
Subject: [FWDLK] '57 Fargo Custom Express ??
Okay, here is a question for y'all.
While net surfing, I ran into the following:
CLsnyder wrote:
I've been a Mopar Man for years - owned a 241 cu Hemi Coronet (1953)
among others. Interest in old cars has had me owning, over the years, a '28
Chevy national, '35 Chevy master, 37 Hudson Terraplane, '53 coronet sierra
(hemi), '57 Fargo custom express (rarest truck produced by Chrysler since
the 2nd war), '63 valiant 170, '49 VW beetle, etc. etc.
Anyone have any idea what a '57 Fargo Custom Express is? We all know a
Fargo is an export Mopar truck.
Wayne
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Okay, here is a question for =
y'all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>While net surfing, I ran into the=20
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others.=20
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'28 Chevy=20
national, '35 Chevy master, 37 Hudson Terraplane, '53 coronet=20
sierra (hemi), '57 <SPAN id=3Dgoogle-navclient-hilite=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">Fargo custom =
express=20
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size=3D2>Anyone have any=20
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an=20
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:52:58 -0400
From: cpollock@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Flat tires
Hello,
I had this problem with my cars that sat for 6+ months. I asked a friend of
mine who is in the tire business and this is what he told me. As the
outside air pressure and temp affect the air in the tire (when it goes from
summer to winter and back again), the air will contract in the winter (or
colder weather.) This creates a less than perfect seal along the rim of the
wheel, where the tire actually seals. This less than perfect seal will
allow a very small amount of air to get by. Over time, the more air
escapes, the worse the seal, etc, until the tire is flat. When you drive
the car, the friction on the tire heats the air, it expands and the seal is
restored. This is why tires don't loss air on your dialy driver. This is
also why you can just re-inflate the tire and it is fine. There is nothing
wrong with the wheel or the tire, that is just how it happens. All of this
made sense to me, so now I put my cars that are in storage on jackstands and
store the wheel and t!
ires elsewere and on their sides to prevent flat spotting. Before I go to
put them back on I re-inflate them to the correct pressure. This is always
a good idea if you plan to store for more than 1-2 months.
Just my pennies,
Charles.
From: Roger Howard <rdhoward@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2003/06/18 Wed PM 04:49:42 EDT
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Flat tires
A well-meaning but too-talkative neighbor of mine
recently caught me out washing my car and began to talk...I try to humor
him/tune him out, yet one thing he said stuck with me..he had a rim that
developed a rusthole or some sort of pinhole in one of the welds that holds
the rim together...this was the reason his tire kept going flat...next time
have your tireshop somehow check the rim to see if this is happening to
you
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From: "Nick & Barbara Nichols" <3nichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: [FWDLK] Flat tires
> Here is a general question: Why does a tire go flat after sitting for
> a couple of months and then is fine when you put air back in it. I
> have taken the tire to a tire shop and they can't find any slow leak.
> The tire is only a few months old and the valve is new. It goes on
> my '59 Custom Royal. I've had this same problem over the years with
> other old cars. It's one of those things that always has me curious.
> Nick Nichols
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:51:22 EDT
From: "John Diekewicz Sr." <Goldlion59@xxxxxxx>
Subject: 1958 Plymouth engine paint colors?
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Hello To All:
I have a 1958 Plymouth with a 318 engine and 4 barrel carb. What I need to
know is what color is correct for the crank pulley, fan pulley, distributor
housing and oil filter canister.
Any one with information that can help me out please contact me at
goldlion59@xxxxxxxx Thank you.
John
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:09:40 -0400
From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FW: [FWDLK] 1958 Plymouth engine paint colors?
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:51 AM
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Subject: [FWDLK] 1958 Plymouth engine paint colors?
Hello To All:
I have a 1958 Plymouth with a 318 engine and 4 barrel carb. What I need
to know is what color is correct for the crank pulley, fan pulley,
distributor housing and oil filter canister.
Any one with information that can help me out please contact me at
goldlion59@xxxxxxxx Thank you.
John
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From: Wayne Graefen <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 60 DeSoto lead
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I was on the 2003 Hot Rod magazine Power Tour this year. As we drove =
near Flora, Mississippi, there was a '60 DeSoto 4-door hardtop in a used =
car lot at "Flora Classic Cars, which was otherwise pretty much a used =
car lot. Car looked excellent from a distance. Did not have time to =
stop. On Rte. 49W and north of junction with Rte. 22. I know NOTHING =
else about the car or dealer. Good luck.
Wayne
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