Re: [FWDLK]

[cpollock@xxxxxxxx]

Hi All,
My second reply to Spencer is this little tidbit.  Chrysler actually made the old
413 well into the 80's, but in industrial applications and dump trucks.  Industrial
uses were as generators, pumps and forklifts!  And on a side note to that, I did a
co-op stint at GE Engine assembly in Evandale Ohio in the mid 80's.  We had a
forklift we called "Big Green" that had a surprise under its hood.  A fully dressed
out and chromed 392 HEMI!  Needless to say it screamed.

Have Fun,
Chargin' Charles--->>>

spencer wrote:

> actually 65' was the last year for the 413 in passenger cars but they were used
> in motor homes thru 73'. as already stated there would be problems using a later
> motor and would not be worth the hassle. You could try the same thing I did and
> locate a 61' New Yorker or Imperial 413 which is a direct bolt-in and will give
> the car a very noticable boost on the road. an aftermarket carb would help
> also.                              spencer  61" Newport  (413)
>
> Jim Pristelski wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I thought that Chrysler discontinued the 413 in 1966.  I would guess that
> > the engine in the 70's motorhome would be a 440.  But even if 413's were
> > made into the 1970's, you will have problems because:
> >
> > 1. 1961 was the last year for the cast iron torqueflight tranny.  The tranny
> > in the motorhome  is probably a aluminum case 727 that uses a column shift
> > arrangement.  Definitely not compatible with your pushbuttons in your 1961
> > Chrysler which actuate a shift cable to the tranny.
> >
> > 2. The 1961 and earlier 413's have a different flange on the crankshaft that
> > bolts directly to the torque converter.  The 1962 and later 413's have a
> > flange on the crankshaft that bolts to a flex plate, that in turn bolts to
> > the torque converter.  Again, not compatible.  If you could find a 413
> > crankshaft from 1961 or earlier, you could switch it with the one in the
> > 70's engine and then it would bolt up to the torqueflight tranny currently
> > in your 1961 Chrysler.  You may be better off trying to find a 1961 or
> > earlier 413 if you want to avoid a crankshaft swap.
> >
> > 3. On the 1961 413 engines, there should be an engine code stamped into a
> > flat boss up front near the distributor.  The code should be "R41", "R" for
> > 1961 and "41" for 413.  The 61 Newports came with a 361 engine as standard,
> > so you might see "R36".  Similarly, for a 383 equipped 1961, you would see
> > "R38".  The 300G's with the 413 crossram engine will have the code "R41HP"
> > since these engines had dual valve springs, a higher performance timing
> > chain, etc, in addition to the crossram induction arrangement.
> >
> > 4. Sorry, I don't know much about performance parts availability for the
> > 413.  Best regards, Jiim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Charles Gedraitis <dcg@xxxxxxx>
> > To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:19 PM
> > Subject: [FWDLK]
> >
> > >hi list,
> > >
> > >alrighty-as far as I know, there were two different types of 413 out
> > >there. One was for trucks, one for cars. Is there anyway to tell without
> > >having to pull the motor apart to look at the bolt pattern on the crank?
> > >I've been offered one fairly cheap from a 70's motorhome-any thoughts on
> > >how well this will fit in my '61 newport?  Is this motor different from
> > >the ones that came in the 300's?  And if this is the motor I think it is,
> > >what trannies could I bolt it up to? Would they fit in my car? and what
> > >performance parts are out there for this? I'm looking for some real power,
> > >so i'm looking for some thoughts on building up a motor like this?
> > >thoughts in general?
> > >
> > >~dave
> > >
> > >'61 Newport
> > >'67 Kaiser M-715
> > >'55 Windsor Wagon
> > >