| Dave,
Great post. Thanks. I put aside Jim's comment and was going to respond, but you put it very well.
I would add that there is a less-than-fine-line between being a douchebag - like the gentlemen you describe - and pointing out in a friendly manner what might not be stock to an original car. The Forums roil constantly with the guys who comment on what is and is not stock, and the guys who take it all so personally and make personal attacks against them. I see a lot of "middle ground" here that the latter does not allow. I suspect it is "thin skin", but would encourage all to use tact in their approach and to separate those who offer "criticism" in a respectful way from the blatant assbags like you describe. There is a HUGE difference, and this hobby would be much worse off if those who really know their OEM details did shut up.
This takes vigilance on both sides. Those with thin skin must buck up to the challenge of knowing the difference, and all who see an idiot doing his thing, to cut him off at the knees when he's putting on a "performance". Nothing works like self-policing.
I once heard an old dude commenting to his friend about my nice 57 Bel Air. The car was on a lift at a service station. I was on a road trip and had a U-joint issue. The custom license plate reading "NO CHEV" was right there in his face at eye level, and the car was a 1961 New Yorker. But, by golly, he knew all the facts ! Still, the difference was, he was simply running his gums to his friend and not up in anyones' face over it. Unlike the permanent distaste I developed for 300's and their owners who felt it their God-appointed duty to deride anything on wheels, particularly other like Mopars and 300's. Several telling me on more than one occasion that my 57 NY'er coupe and 58 Fireflite convertible were really only of value as parts cars for a "good 300 project".
Thanks, guys. I'm pretty happy operating outside YOUR group. :-)
But honestly, there are douchebags at every level. Certain groups attract them more than others. To shut down the OEM hardcores outside of the douchebag behavior would be a disservice to us all. We need to target the bad behavior and "influence" it either into a more respectful tact, or exclude access to those who cannot be respectful.
Just my .02
Burger
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On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:03 AM, Dave Stragand wrote: Why is it that people insist on telling you everything that is “wrong” with your car at a show? As the vehicle’s owner, I’m am well aware of every nut, bolt, part, scratch, chip and odd quirk of the car. But some people insist on pointing them all out to you anyway. It’s one thing do be helpful – like asking someone, “Did you know that (some company) reproduces that item?” But most folks would rather say, “That item is wrong”, or “Why would you put that on your car?” Drives me crazy especially when that “judge” is way wrong. I don’t go to car shows to get into arguments, so I usually just politely thank them then internally ignore those types of comments. I do remember when I first got my car, though, that an older gentleman was very insistent that my car was not a 1958 Plymouth, but instead was a ’58 Cadillac. Even after showing him brochures, owners & service manuals, he could not be convinced. “I don’t know what your angle is or why you’re going to such extremes to fool people, but that’s a CADILLAC.” If I recall correctly, he even went so far as to complain to the show organizers about my ‘deception’. At another judged show, the judges (very rightfully) took a lot of points off of my car for various flaws. No problem, didn’t bother me – I wasn’t there to compete for a trophy. What was a problem was when one of the judges came over and told me my car wasn’t even “worthy” of being at the show and I should be “ashamed” for bringing it out in such a condition. This wasn’t a Concours d’Elegance – it was a 50-car, charity cruise-in type of show for an antique car club for the north suburbs of Pittsburgh! But I see it happening everywhere. A couple of our own members routinely shred every car at Carlisle, often right to the owner. Stop doing that. Please. Before you open your mouth, ask yourself “Am I trying to HELP this person, or HURT this person, by saying it? Am I just tearing their car down to make myself feel important, or make me feel better about my own car?” Judge cars not, lest ye and ye cars be judged. -Dave From: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List [mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Rawa
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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Clock repairs? i haven't come across a quartz clock that doesn't tick... i conver 50s/60s starburst interior home clocks to quartz movement to eliminate the need for wall clock outlets.. its hard to sell one that isnt converted.. i actually hate the "tick" over the low hum of an electric clockwork... for the cars- doubt a spectator even looks at the clock's time at shows, moreover- i'd feel like a jerk going up to a guy and telling them- "you know- your clock should be ticking a certain way" lol
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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Clock repairs? On 2/16/2012 10:07 PM, Ron Waters wrote: > Quartz doesn't go tick,tick,tick. It's just a continuous motion. Looks > out of place in a 50s Mopar. > Ron there are quartz movements that do visually 'tick' tick' maybe it has to asked for?? -- Paul Holmgren Mine: 2 57 300-C's in Indy Hers: 05 PT GT R/T HO Stage 1 Hoosier Corps L#6 ************************************************************* To unsubscribe or set your subscription options, please go to http://lists.psu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=l-forwardlook&A=1 ************************************************************* To unsubscribe or set your subscription options, please go to
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