Roger,
You
said:
?I had had a club
member build me the original TF and supply me the cable assembly. In my
troubleshooting I found that this club member had built me a TF using a 59
case which was not what I had bargained for. I also found that he
had supplied me a 59 cable assembly (I had found the external push button
assembly elsewhere). Based upon this finding, I decided to try a 56
assembly and all was well.?
So, in
your experience, a 59 TF and 59 cable worked well with a 56 pushbutton
assembly. Right?
I
would have thought the drum at the rear of the tranny would be the same,
weather 56 or 59. My 62 TF 727 drum is identical to the 56 PF drum, except for
the spline count. I reused the PF backing plate and all the internal brake
parts on the 727, so I could reuse the original cable. I needed a new
driveshaft simply because the TF was about 5 inches longer than the PF. I had
it built with a U-joint and slip yoke in front. Photo attached.
Dave
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From: Roger
Schaaf [mailto:obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:01
PM
To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; David Homstad
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 2speed to 3speed
pushbotton problem Additional Clarification
I do
not believe that it is the cable that is the problem, I think it is more
likely that it is a mismatch between the external push button assembly and the
internal lever mechanism that attaches to and controls the
cable.
I have
found that there is extremely little difference in the appearance and design
of these mechanisms, even between the 56 type layout of the buttons that are
arranged is somewhat of a "square" pattern and 59 and later that go
horizontal across the dash.
I've
also found that mechanically these different assemblies will fit perfectly in
either button layout's control boxes. However they will perform
differently. You can look at them side(square) by side(horizontal) and
it is very difficult to see that they are different, but they
are.
When I
first restored my B and replaced the Powerflight with a TF, I had a problem
where if you pushed 1, you would go thru all the gears, if you pushed 2 or R
you would get what you expected, if you pushed 3 you would get first
only.
I
posted this problem to numerous forums, talked to many experts and got
numerous different suggestions, all to no avail.
I had
had a club member build me the original TF and supply me the cable
assembly. In my troubleshooting I found that this club member had built
me a TF using a 59 case which was not what I had bargained for. I
also found that he had supplied me a 59 cable assembly(I had found the
external push button assembly elsewhere). Based upon this finding, I
decided to try a 56 assembly and all was well.
I
subsequently did have Timo build me a 56 TF which then forced me to build a
new driveshaft. The 59 uses a front u-joint and of course the 56 does
not.
Then of
course when I replaced my rear axle assembly(to get a 2:92 gear) with a 57
assembly, I had to build another driveshaft. The 56 and 57 use different
pinion flanges and could find no u-joint to marry them up.
It was
all worth it however to rid myself of the PF and the 3:54 that came
with the B.
I'm not
certain this is Wayne's problem, but would be a checkout.
Incidentally a C 300
just sold at the RM/ASTOR Auction yesterday. It sold for 180,000.00
including commission. They now just sold a 59 Imperial convert at
270,000.00 plus commission, both restored by Timo Tanskanen. These are
both ex-Bill Madden cars.
Hope
this helps.
Roger
Schaaf
300 B
Calyfornua
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To: obiwan10 ;
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, June 29,
2008 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: [FWDLK] 2speed
to 3speed pushbotton problem Additional Clarification
Roger,
It
doesn?t make sense to me yet. From what I have been told by 2 separate
experts, is that ALL pushbutton assemblies push the cable in & out the
same amount, and that ALL cables are the same at the top end. It would not
make any sense for Mopar to change these parameters from year to year!
I?d like to hear more
about your very long tale how you found this out.
Dave
Homstad
56
Dodge D500
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From: Forward
Look Mopar Discussion List [mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of obiwan10
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:29
PM
To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 2speed to 3speed
pushbotton problem Additional Clarification
Wayne:
When I said that
cable must match push button assembly, this means that the complex lever
assembly that is part of the cable assembly must too match the pushbutton
assembly. The 3 components must all be from the same YOM(there
could(likely?) be mix and match assemblies of which I am not
aware).
Very long tale how I
found this out.
Roger
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To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, June 29,
2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 2speed
to 3speed pushbotton problem
Wayne:
I do not know if you
figured this out yet. I suspect that your cable does not match you push
button assembly in the YOM(year of manufacturer). The cable and push
buttons in many instances must be from the same year. In other words you
can run a 56 button with a 59 transmission, but the cable assembly must be
from a 56 push button assembly.
Might be worth a
checkout with the vendor who supplied your new cable.
Roger
Schaaf
300 B
Calyfornua
----- Original
Message -----
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 26,
2008 5:33 PM
Subject: [FWDLK] 2speed to
3speed pushbotton problem
Took the Powerflite out of my '59 Dodge
and put in a Torqueflite. Took out the 2spd pushbuttons and put in the
3speed pushbuttons. Have a new cable from buttons to trans from Imperial
Services. I am not getting enough travel or throw on the cable movement
to allow the selector in the trans to fully drop into its detents regardless
of cable adjustment. Now it can't be the new cable is too long or
too short because it is still the end distance that matters. Is
there a different ratio on some push button assemblies from different
years? I don't know what my 3spd buttons came from - I had them on
the shelf for years.
I'm really baffled on this one.
Suggestions appreciated.
Wayne
G
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