NO, Mark's saying that the tar-toppers like the one he has come with
screwed-in caps.
NO, you're not a lawyer, you're an actor posing as a lawyer.
Who's your defendant? What's your proof? How do you know what a '57 came
with? Vas you dere, Cholly?
Seems to me, at some past point in time when you were waxing ewloquent about
this wonderful time capsule, that you said it would be a perfect example of
an unmolested car. Now you're challenging it's authenticity.
--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66
Plymouth, '41 Dodge
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Services" <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..
Hey, Mark; are you saying that your-guy can modify a Tar-Topper to accept
real screw-in caps?
I would like to send him my T-T, for that work to be done.
The fact that a cap can be unscrewed might just fool a 'judge' into
accepting the T-T as being a
part of a real-battery, once he casually turns one or more of the caps,
and finds that they're
removable (and are real 3-D caps, too).
And, on another matter :
Because Ms. B's battery has no raised-or-embossed branding on it, because
the battery caps, too,
have no (MoPar) logos on them , at all, and the fact that the caps
appear to be white
colored (they would have had their color be molded-into their
composition, proves by a preponderance
of evidence, that the battery, your Honor, is NOT in fact, the one which
was installed at the factory, but is,
in fact, a sub-quality GENERIC battery!
On that basis in Fraud-theory, my client, The Forwardlook Network,
representing TENS of persons, worldwide,
is pleading for reasonable and just compensation , for mental anguish
and lost work productivity, subject to
actual loss verification, of Ten million dollars, plus costs, from the
providing-dealership, in the above-entitled action.
Neil Vedder, Esq.
Mark H wrote:
Obviously, I have no idea if it was a "generic" battery or otherwise - I
just saw no logos. One could've been there and covered in muck colored
grime, for all I know. I didn't mess with it too much - didn't want to
get in trouble - since we weren't supposed to touch her at all, and the
security guards were flitting all around us. We've all seen the pics
that show the caps to be whitish. I was amazed how easily the caps spun
off and back on. The real caps are not glued into the fake plastic
tar-toppers. They are screwed in just like for real. The guy I bought
the plastic case from makes appropriate sized holes in the top of the
repop battery case, and you just screw those caps on as if they belonged
there! The same guy also supplied me with my supply of authentic Mopar
brand caps. Don't know where he gets 'em, but I make it a point to stop
by his booth at every Portland Swap Meet to ask him if he has found any
more . . . .
Mark mjh
57 Fury
*/eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
Mark, it seems weird that there would be a completely "generic"
battery
built by some company without any logos on it, unless, Chrysler
had some
sort of contract with that company which would have stipulated that
there be no advertising on it, for installation in line-production
vehicles.
Any idea/opinion what color the generic battery caps were?
Any tricks involved in cutting out the fake-caps and gluing-in real
battery caps, into the Tar Toppers?
Neil Vedder
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:35:21 -0700
From: Mark H <pizoboom@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
This is one detail I actually paid pretty close attention to in
Tulsa. A coupla years ago I bought one of those Ultima batteries
for Mr. Finzzz and one of those plastic repro battery cases that
supposedly look like the actual batteries from the fifties, so you
can fool the car show people into thinking you have a real fifties
battery (right!). Anyway, one of the nights when our small group of
vandals broke in
and took pictures with Miss B and the security guards at the
indoor car show, I was curious as to whether my repop battery case
looked like a REAL original, so I peeked into the engine
compartment to look at Miss B's battery. I moved it around a
little - and saw no logos anywhere. I spun off one of the plastic
filler lids (I found actual real Mopar lids for use on the repop
plastic - adds to the authenticity!) and was surprised to see no
names or logos on it either!
It made me question whether the Mopar filler lids I have were true
to the cars, or some sort of battery accessory - you wouldn't
think they would've put many dealer add-on accesories to the car
they were going to bury . . . .
Mark mjh
'57 Fury
Sutherlin, OR
*/Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
I sincerely doubt that Pic #3 is the identical replacement
battery for a '57
Dodge or Plymouth. Why?
[1] The curved "m" emblem for MoPar wasn't used until later.
[2] The book from which you took the photo says Pic #1 for
1956-58 Chrysler
Prod.
[3] My 1955-58 Parts Book already has a superceded number for
the 1956-58
Dodge/Plymouth/DeSoto 50 amp battery, 1818959 [wet] and
1818932 [dry].
That, coincidentally, is the number for the 1956-58 Chrysler
50 amp battery.
In other words, replacement # does not match original #.
In addition to the parts book, I looked thru my '58 DeSoto and
'56 Plymouth
FSM's; the battery pix are the same as the Parts book, none of
which show
the label.
So, for those who strive for absolute authenticity...
fughettabouttit !!!
Or maybe buy one of the #1 batteries from Neil's vendor pic.
--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56
Plymouth, '66
Plymouth, '41 Dodge
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Services"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:18 AM
Subject: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..
>I think that George McKovich PM'ed me, to say that the MoPar
logo, on
> Ms. Belvie's battery (as depicted on the attached Antique
Auto battery
> folder)
> was seen to have been placed/oriented toward the fender,
instead of its
> facing
> inboard, toward the engine compartment.
>
> BTW, Style-3 is OEM-correct for Group 24 1957+ cars.
>
> The placement of the battery terminals pretty much
determines how the
> battery
> is to be installed, on the inner fender.
>
> Ron Water's pics, from last week, clearly(?) showed that
there was no
> visible
> logo facing the engine compartment, AND(??) that the battery
caps may have
> been white-colored.
>
> I'm wondering what color to re-paint the yellow "Delco"
fake-caps which
> appear on the Tar-Topper-fake-battery-lid, after I remove
the "Delco"
> embossments FROM the fake-caps.
>
> Neil Vedder
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