YEAH, Owen: that photo may have been a POST-race (or, maybe a PRE-race)
commemorative photo!
The cars were not moving, when they were photographed (wherever, they
were photographed).
Neil Vedder
Owen Grigg wrote:
Neil, if you are looking in that book, check out the following races,# 6 at
Daytona Beach in Feb '56, # 8 Wilson Speedway, March '56, # 9 Atlanta also
March '56, # 10 Nth Carolina April '56 etc etc...
I also just realized why Herb Thomas was so high up in the driver points, he
drove the first half of the season for Kiekhaefer before switching to a '56
Chev. His reason for quitting the Kiekhaefer team, Buck Baker was getting
all the best equipment and he was always running second best.
I'm guessing that the photo on ebay may of come from the March 1-mile dirt
track race in Atlanta where the Buck Baker CK 300 came in 1st with the
Speedy Thompson CK Dodge in 2nd.
Owen
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(#2008-31)....Kiekaefer Dodges V 300s
I'm not going to try to say that K.'s 500's & 300's never competed
against each other, on the same track, but,
just opening my "40 Years of Stock Car Racing" (Vol 1), I see that on
1/22/56, @ the AZ State Fairgrounds, on a
ONE-mile dirt track, the first three winners (of three, entered by K.)
were all in 300's.
No K. 500's were entered.
For the Daytona Beach 500 mile race, K. entered the winning 300 (Tim
Flock), and a 500 placed in 10th spot.
K. had two 300's that finished in 19th & 20th
A 300 finished in 43rd, and the second 500 finished in 71st (out of 72
entries).
Neil Vedder
Owen Grigg wrote:
According to my NASCAR records Kiekhaefer Dodges and 300's were racing
against each other throughout the '56 season. I don't believe Kiekhaefer
cared either way whether the Dodge or the Chrysler came in first as long
as
it had HIS name on the side. The Dodges were strong on the 1/2 mile
tracks,
the 300's recorded wins on just about all distances but were very strong
on
the longer 1 mile tracks.
Interesting to note the driver points standing at the end of the '56
season...
# 1 Buck Baker 300B
# 2 Herb Thomas '56 Chev (interestingly I can't see him winning a race but
was consistently in 4th or 5th place)
# 3 Speedy Thompson he alternated between a 300B and a Dodge.
# 4 Lee Petty Dodge
Owen
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(#2008-31)
Unless I missed some documemtation, in the puffery (I mean: description-
of- item) this is merely a promotional photo, of/for Kiekaefer, as he
was too smart to race his Dodges against his 300's in (m-)any races, as
the cars served specialized racing purposes; the 300's were too big &
heavy to compete in the short county-fair dirt tracks, and the 500's
were too underpowered to compete on the big-boy tracks, with the 300's.
I do have The History of Daytona Racing ( Vol's #1 & #2) in my office,
which lists all NASCAR results, in the 50's, so, varifying any Kiekaefer
competition between the 500's & the 300's, on the same track, against
each other, will be easy enough to do.
BTW, this seller is merely selling re-prints from the original negative,
which he is keeping.
Still, it's a nice photo, but hardly unique, as there were a lot of
publicity shots made of the Kiekaefer racing stable, and its drivers.
Neil Vedder
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