Yeah, the protocol (trick) is........... to try to acquire enough Sales
Codes, off of car-invoices, and/ or personal observations of cars,
and/or to get ALL of a car's (or, several/many heavily-differently-
optioned cars') P/T plates (the easy part), Broadcast Sheets (the
HARDEST part), AND IBM card-copy (getting a LEGIBLE one is tough; I've
got multiple examples in my files, and they all are not fully legible,
so, multiple-copies are necessary to be able to read/understand all of
their information)...........
Nothing to it!
And, again, ideally, you will need to get a P/T plate, B. Sheet, and the
(legible) IBM card-copy
from one car, in order to correlate some of the big-numbers, on that
car's P/T plate, to the option-info on the B.Sheet & IBM card copy.
There's 28 option-items listed on the 57-60 Detroit-built P/T plates,
and ONLY the 1957 B.Sheet, and IBM card copy, are arranged numerically
where a logical presumption of a P/T plate's numbers' I.D. might be
made.
The other years' plates numbers are not logically/systematically
arranged, so understanding their numbers is like breaking the WWII
German codes, before the Enigma machine was captured!
And then: there's the Body & Trim & Color numbers to figure out,
independent of the B.Sheet & IBM card-copy info (which doesn't explain
what a BDY/TRM/PNT code might actually be).
There had to have been a Master-Decoding Booklet prepared at the
factory, but, I've never heard of one's actual existence, except for the
Dealer-Routing codes (the 5 digits on the lower-left of the P/T plate) ;
that info did get out of the factory, in the late 70's , and into
private hands (not mine, or any close friend of mine, but, it's
out-there).
Fortunately, when you buy your IBM card-copy, from the Histerical
Society, they are able to tell you the I.D. of your car's selling
dealership.
Neil Vedder
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- From: Bill Watson <wwatson6@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:47:36 -0800
There are 80 columns on the IBM card (just as there were 80 spaces across
the computer monitor prior to WYSIWYG). As well, there were 10 'rows'
across the card. The part with the options is read with the column number
plus the row number to provide the sales code. Thus a hole punched in row
2 in column number 30 is sales code 302. Sometimes there were two rows
punched, say in this case 2 and 6. The car thus had equipment from sales
codes 302 and 306 installed.
The serial number, shipping order number, etc. were all punched on the card
in a similar manner, with one column for each digit, and were in the columns
not used for sales codes. Letters were done with a double punch in the
column. There were rows set aside above the 10 rows that incremented the
value in the column. The first ten letters might have used the ten rows
plus a punch just above the ten rows, while the next ten letters used the
ten rows plus a punch two above the rows.
Looking at a punch card for a 1957 Imperial, the top row had info printed
out for dealer, order number, build date, model, engine, paint, trim, then a
series of column numbers with a number printed in certain columns. Below
that was a row of columns with three digits printed. Some columns had a
printer generated number matching the last number printed in the column.
These were sales codes. A third row gave written descriptions of the sales
codes in those columns. Column 332 had a "2" above and a descriptor of
"Solex Glass". Thus sales code 332 was Solex Glass and the "2" at the top
meant the car had Solex Glass installed.
Next came two rows of handwritten information - key numbers, engine number,
serial number and date shipped. In this case, the car was built January
18, 1957 and shipped on February 2, 1957. The factory would have kept this
card on hand until the car was shipped. The card was then stored and
eventually transferred to microfilm.
The bottom row on the card has 80 columns of codes. These ones were read by
the column number and the hole row.
What you need is someone with a list of all the sales codes for your year of
vehicle to detemine what you have. Word of warning - the number of sales
codes increased anually and the numbers used thus increased. A sales code
of 306 for a 1957 vehicle may not be the same as 306 for 1961 or 1965 or
1968. So you need the codes for your year of vehicle.
Bill
Vancouver, BC
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From: "Charles Pollock" <cpollock@xxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Build sheet /card locations
Hi Ray,
Reminds me of what I found in my 73 Charger.
There were 2 broadcast sheets- One hog-ringed to the lower seat cushion on
the driver's side and one one under the lower seat cushion of the back
seat.
The one under the driver's seat was NOT for my car. It was for a very
well optioned SE. The other was for my car.
But that's not the interesting part- when I pulled the liner from the
trunk floor I found, wedged in between the quarter panel and trunk floor
extension, a perfectly preserved Chrysler factor paper coffee cup. It had
the Chrysler logo and it was one of those 'poker' cups. It had 4 cards
printed on the side and the fifth on the bottom. It was a full house!
Probably why someone thought to 'dispose' of it there. Also,
I have found a ton of extra clips, fasteners, sound deadner, etc in the
bottom of the doors and quarter panels. Seens that if someone dropped a
fastener they didn't try to retrieve it, they just grabbed another.
Not FL content, but interesting none the less.
So to add FL content-
What good is the IBM card if it can't be read? How does one get his/her
card read once found???
Charles.
Ray Jones wrote:
I always had the impression that the workers were responsible for their
own trash. So, when he was thru with the info for his station, it got
stuck in the car. The guy who placed the proper upholstery on the line
or in the car stuck the sheet in the upholstery so at the end of the
shift he didn't have to empty the trash. The Dash guy shoved it over the
Glove box and so on.
After 33 years of ownership, my wife found one in our '65 Chrysler 300 L
when she pulled out the rotten carpet. It was in the drivers foot-well,
and of course, badly damaged. I think we have another one put away, from
under the rear seat for that car. It had been in outside storage for many
years and she was cleaning it out/up. Surprisingly, it has almost zero
rust in the floors, frame and trunk, after sitting 12 years in a Pine
forest.
Ray
On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Fury Jim wrote:
out of over 40 57-9 plyms/dodges/and 2 desotos, i havent seen a broadcast
sheet pre-59. i do have 2 of the 3 from one on my 59 plymouths, one was
behing the oil-impregnated insulation behind the pass kick panel, one hog
ringed to the underside of the rear seat, the last was in pieces under
the carpet... my 59 fury had only 1 under the rear carpet.... i found
remnants of one shoved above the glove box of a 59 CRL...
probably no set standard location, just wherever someone felt like stick
1 or more at the time of assembly.
jim
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