Re: [FWDLK] FW: [FWDLK] All this late model and future discussion...
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [FWDLK] FW: [FWDLK] All this late model and future discussion...



I ride motorcycles on Caly freeways, being afraid is not the issue.  The issue is fear of incompetents who are herding vehicles of which they probably have little or no control, most of whom would be a danger to others even driving a compact car.  You place them in these 3 and 4 ton trucks and if you have no fear of them, you are most likely as stupid as they are.  Fear, or perhaps intense respect is a better way of saying it,  generates caution which has saved me many times.  However I am afraid for my wife even if she were to drive a much larger car, because any of these so called SUV's and large pickup trucks are deadly to any car that they may hit, and they do hit many because of the ill handling, braking characteristics of them, and the incompetent, aggressive lamebrains who are behind the wheel of so many of them.  And to suggest that she or I purchase one of them to protect our lives is a poor response, as it is well known that the death rate is far higher for SUV and pickup drivers and passengers than for automobiles.  This even in spite of the fact that in a collision between a car and one of them, the car usually gets the worst of it.  SUV's and their brethren suffer from a far higher accident and fatality rate(again aggressive drivers and poor handling) and their tendency to tip over under almost any circumstance(witness the so called Firestone/Explorer fiasco).  Most of which the deaths were not because of the tires but because the SUV's rolled over because of any tire failure that would not have fazed an automobile, and again likely that their drivers did have the wit to keep the vehicle sunny side up after a tire failure.  Driving these things requires a far different skill set than driving a car and if you have never observed these morons in action then you are not paying attention either.  Ironically these owners in their blissful ignorance have some misguided belief that they are safer in these vehicles because they believe that when they hit an auto, it is the auto driver who will be killed, not them.  I guess that is the American way, "pull up the rope, I'm in the boat".
 
Oh what the hell, this country probably only suffers an additional 5,000 traffic deaths annually(hell we killing 17,000 annually because of drunks on the road and alcohol is still legal) because of these vehicles compared to if all people were driving automobiles.  I guess in the great scheme of things that killing almost twice the number killed annually as were killed in the WTC bombing, we can live with that, so people can continue to sit up high.
 
Please do not get me totally wrong.  I firmly believe there is a valid use and place for pickup trucks and SUV's.  Commercial use, hunting, pulling a boat, camping etc.  I only find their use for daily purposes totally moronic and all to deadly to the rest of us.
 
A few years ago, a San Francisco couple were convicted of murder because their dogs had attacked and killed a lady.  The prosecutions argument which the jury bought off on, was that as "everyone" knew that this particular breed of dog could be dangerous, and they owned them anyway, they were being reckless to the extreme and therefore were guilty of murder, and again they were convicted of 2nd degree murder. 
 
Roger Schaaf
300 B
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Stroup
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] FW: [FWDLK] All this late model and future discussion...

It must be sad to spent your life afraid.
I know what you mean about cars and trucks around you on your motorcycle.
I quit riding my HD in the city after my neighbor was rear-ended on his cycle
while riding next to me.   But life goes on.  I ride when and where I feel safe.
Why don't you and your wife purchase some larger vehicles and stop being fearful
of everything around you ?
 
Tom S


From: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List on behalf of Roger Schaaf
Sent: Thu 3/22/2007 11:53 PM
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] FW: [FWDLK] All this late model and future discussion...

Mike
 
Sorry that you may have misread my missive. I never said or meant to imply that those who owned these vehicles were riff raff.  However for me when I am riding a motorcycle down a Calyfornua freeway at 70 miles per hour, and one of these scows is on my tail about 10 feet behind me, and passing me on both sides atr 90, all I can think is, can this tailgating or speeding vehicle with the handling characteristics of a stagecoach really stop as fast as I can if I should ever need to slow quickly.  It often appears that the larger the vehicle, the more aggressive and invulnerable the driver seems and we all see it everyday. 
 
When I drive my B, I never fail to maintain at least a car length behind any vehicle I am following for each 10 mph of speed.  Seems that most of our Caly drivers have not a clue about the laws of physics and all to often it is someone driving one of these vehicles who are reckless and intimidating, so yes I suppose I(and probably millions of others) are somewhat jaded and afraid of them(and hate them), and have a somewhat negative opinion.  Oh yes, did I mention that I lost a brother to a drunken driver who broadsided him.  This driver was driving an SUV.  If it had been a mere car(that had real bumpers of the height mandated by the FEDs for automobiles--which again SUV's get a pass on), he probably would have walked away.  As it was, this SUV just crawled right up over the protective side impact bars in the passenger door(where my brother was sitting) and right into the automobile.  Yes, I know being drunk was the crime, driving the SUV was not, but my brother died nevertheless and he could/would still be alive if struck by a drunk in an automobile.
 
Ask yourself just how comfortable you are with your family members out on the roads in their small Hondas, Chevy's, and Audi's with all these huge vehicles.  It scares me everyday to see my wife go off to work with some 34 roundtrip  miles of freeway to drive, and she is driving her small car and I know what danger she is exposed to.
Some would say that I am just being paranoid.  However another wag once said that: "Paranoia is merely an enlightened sense of awareness".

*************************************************************

To unsubscribe or set your subscription options, please go to
http://lists.psu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=l-forwardlook&A=1

*************************************************************

To unsubscribe or set your subscription options, please go to
http://lists.psu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=l-forwardlook&A=1

*************************************************************

To unsubscribe or set your subscription options, please go to
http://lists.psu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=l-forwardlook&A=1




Home Back to the Home of the Forward Look Network


Copyright © The Forward Look Network. All rights reserved.

Opinions expressed in posts reflect the views of their respective authors.
This site contains affiliate links for which we may be compensated.