Re: [FWDLK] Ebay

[Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ray -

It's quite difficult to 'lift the ID of a legit seller'. He would have to
have the seller's password, right ? If the seller takes the necessary
precautions, such as not using a public internet connection when listing
items, he should not have any problems. Stealing pics from a legit auction
or other source is another matter. Anyone that sees a Chrysler 300F convert
as a BuyItNow for $6K should be suspicious, right ?  But scammers have
always been around. Hemmings has had its share of those long before the
internet was in everyone's home. Caveat Emptor.

As a seller, my feedback rating on ebay works in my favor. I ask for check
or money order. Ebay sends out an email at the end of the auction with the
seller's address, so the check will go to the correct address. As a buyer,
if something smells fishy, I'll pass.

This may be getting a little bit off FL discussion. Sorry about that.

Ron

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Jones" <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay


Hi Ron;
You were on the receiving end of the deal. YOU got the money. For the
buyer it is risky, he didn't know if your were  legit or not. He
trusted you. That's what the big deal is, when YOU are buying
something.
What often happens here is that a scammer lifts the ID of a legit
seller (maybe you) and runs an auction of his own (you have no idea
that this is happening). He lists something he copied off another ebay
item. In the description he requires WU for payment, and with a phony
ID, picks up the cash and is gone in the night. This happens often with
WU, to the point that eBay tells you not to use it. Not because they
want you to use PayPal, but because so many have been screwed. The
buyer then contacts you and wants his stuff and you have no idea what
he's talking about. Some of that is what you've been seeing with all
these recent emails about the phony cars on eBay.

As far as the money to PayPal goes, you are using a service and should
pay for it. It's the cost of doing business, and after all YOU have
invested nothing in your "store", so the fees are your "Rent", for
eBay's tent. When you go to a flea market, you have to rent the table,
no difference here.

Also, I believe you can still go to WalMart and send large amounts of
cash to someone elsewhere, they just go into their store and ID
themselves and pick it up. It was very cheap the last time I did it.

regards, Ray



On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Ron Waters wrote:

> I recently sold a brake booster to a guy in Sweden and he used an old
> fashioned method of sending me the money--he wired it via Western
> Union. This very old payment method is almost never mentioned, yet is
> a viable way of completing a transaction. It was easy to collect, as
> the Western Union office is in a local grocery store. You get paid in
> cash, so no concerns about checks drawn against the First Bank of
> Kenya.
>
> Sorry, but with eBay's fees on the rise, I don't need to turn over an
> additional 4.2% to paypal. Don't understand what the big deal
> is in writing a check or obtaining a money order, or even using WU.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: debenson2
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
> hello, Jim that has also been a big frustration for me too....payPal
> is the ONLY way to go!
>
> As you state more and more sellers refuse to take payPal (they use it
> for their buys) but seem too cheap to take it for their listings.
>
> I believe they are really missing the boat!
>
> They claim high cost, but in fact that stand may by costing them
> money.....I do not bid if I am unable to use payPal!
>
> (I even take it and have used it to buy and sell big ticket cars...)
>
> In this world of scams "N" scum, bidders need the safety that payPal
> affords.
> If you find payPal costly then account for it in your pricing it is a
> cost of doing business, just like taking visa....
> postscript; bidpay was slow!!
> debenson2
> Road2Recovery
> Box 43873
> Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55443 USA
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Jim Hoekendijk
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
>
> Yes, it is BidPay that recently went out of business, without any
> warning to their customers.
>
> Quite troublesome for me as a foreigner who’s only option besides
> PayPal was BidPay.
>
> And since more and more sellers are no longer accepting PayPal I have
> to let go of some nice stuff I see on eBay so every now and then. I
> hate that…
>
>
>
> Jim Hoekendijk
>
> The Netherlands.
>
>
>
>
> Van: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List
> [mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens debenson2
> Verzonden: donderdag 9 maart 2006 2:19
> Aan: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Onderwerp: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
>
>
> I believe it was bid pay that was owned by WU.
>
> debenson2
> Road2Recovery
> Box 43873
> Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55443 USA
> 763/438/6671
> 612/319/5619 pager & voice mail
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>  From: Bryan Scott
>
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:03 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
>
>
> I heard the story on the news last week, but apparently it's just
> certain
>  aspects of their operation? The news story didn't depict it that
> way....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Bryan Scott" <scott1990@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
>
> Are you sure? There is no mention of it on their website, and the
> office in my building is still open.
>
> -Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List
> [mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:31 PM
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
> Western Union recently went out of business and is no more.
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Ray Jones" <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
>
> > We need to beat this dead horse....DO NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING ON WESTERN
> > UNION!!
> > It is the payment choice of scammers. Use them to send money to your
> > Mom or a friend, NEVER to pay for something unless you know the
> person
>
> > your paying.
> > That's one of the safety tips on all the ebay sites/warnings.
> > Regards, Ray
> >
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Mike Singer / Emporium Secondaries, Inc.
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I do not want to beat a dead horse but; My brother was bidding on a
> >> panel
> >> van and lost. He received an email Second chance. Drove 35 miles to
> >> Western
> >> Union to send out the payment. Western Union called him later and
> told
> >> him
> >> that it was a fraud. He was able to stop payment.
> >>
> >> Please be very careful when bidding.
> >>
> >> Mike Singer, 57 Fireflite, 76 Warlock, 94 V-10 & 04 Hemi 2500 4wd
> >> pickus,
> >> 05 Magnum RT
> >> Mike Singer
> >>
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