Actually, my brother sells a lot on Ebay and he refuses to send out anything big or expensive with payment from paypal. The reason is because a number of people have paid through credit card on paypal, only to refute the payment on their bill or to dump the credit card altogether. Thus, the credit card takes the money back from paypal, and paypal takes the money back from the seller. If you don't have a balance in the account when this happens and they don't have any of your credit card info, it is harder for paypal to get it out of you, but this is not usually the case. This typically happens more than a month later. It is left to the seller to work it out. Paypal and Ebay obviously discourage this behavior from buyers, but they can not do much about it except to terminate the buying privileges of that email address. For expensive items, he always insists on a personal check. That way, if it is bad, he is only out $20 for the bank fee. People are not usually that dumb to se!
nd a bad personal check if they know that the item will not be sent until it clears.
Everything is opposite for low dollar items. Then checks are real pain and paypal is best.
Nathan Nuttall
56 Savoy
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott H [mailto:kneedrager@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:09 AM
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Possible Scam ?
I guess they are just like e-bay in that respect, but as the seller you are
certain that you have the money credited to your account and it cant be
un-done after the item is gone.
Scott
1956 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer
2002 Dodge Ram Quad Cab
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Scott H" <kneedrager@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Possible Scam ?
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:28:22 -0500
I question if paypal is that good. Got taken by a seller who didn't ship
after I paid with paypal and they were no real help at all.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott H" <kneedrager@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Possible Scam ?
> It is all pretty scary today. I sold 3 motorcycles on e-bay this year.
One
> the guy paid cash and took the bike with him - I was afraid to take it
being
> concerned about counterfeit bills, the other was a personal check, I
> shipped after the check cleared, the third guy showed up in person with a
> certified check, I was afraid to take that also, I called his bank to
verify
> but he provided the telephone # so I was still not convinced. I had his
> contact info and had called him him on the phone prior to the sale and
then
> copied his license and milatary ID just in case and let him take the
bike.
> All worked out ok but you never know.
> I am concerned about wire transfers because I dont want to give anyone my
> account info. Now I am not an overly paranoid person but I am beginning
the
> think that PAY-PAL is about the safest way of conducting business.
>
>
> Scott
> 1956 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer
> 2002 Dodge Ram Quad Cab
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Possible Scam ?
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:55:17 -0400
>
> I would bet that it is. Beware of "free email" providers like pilemail
--
> there's no way to trace the sender. And I bet the payment would be by
> certified check. Fake certified checks are all the rage these days...
> complete with watermarks, magnetic ink, the whole shebang. Your bank
WILL
> cash it, but when it bounces a week (or several weeks) later, you WILL
owe
> the bank the money back. That's why they always insist on hurrying the
> transaction. If you really want to sell it, I might insist on a Western
> Union wire payment -- he'd wire you cash.
>
> Another twist is they send you a check for much more than you ask, and
ask
> you to send a refund (often times it's stated as "a friend owes me money
so
> I'll have him send the check right to you"). Then when that check
bounces,
> you not only have lost 1) the money, 2) the car, but also 3) the 'extra'
> amount you sent him. You'd in reality be paying him to steal your car.
>
> Outblaze.net is also a free email company, and
> firstshippingcompany@xxxxxxxxxxxx shows no results on Google. I would
> beware. There are MANY scams like this going on right now:
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/01/eveningnews/main527883.shtml
> http://www.fossilcars.com/scam_alert.html
> http://classiccarfair.orcon.net.nz/scamalert.htm
> http://www.americandreamcars.com/scamalert.htm
> http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56829,00.html
> http://www.secretservice.gov/alert419.shtml
>
> Anyone else have any thoughts?
>
> -Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Owen & Jo Grigg
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:33 AM
> Subject: [FWDLK] Fw: Possible Scam ?
>
>
> Recently I sold my '70 GTX locally but I had it advertised on one or
two
> different websites. I received this email yesterday.He knows nothing
about
> the car apart from one pic on the website. Maybe I'm wrong, but this
> possibly looks like a scam to me.....just a heads up if you're selling a
> car.
> Owen
>
>
> I will want you to mail me regarding the B Body Is needed urgently and
> also you can also send me the pics. I HAVE CONTACTED A SHIPPER WHICH WILL
> COME FOR THE PICKUP AT YOUR PLACE AFTER PAYMENT IS RECEIVED,THE EMAIL
> ADDRESS OF THE SHIPPER IS firstshippingcompany@xxxxxxxxxxxx MAIL ME THE
> PRICE AND ALSO WHERE THE B Body IS LOCATED. THANKS
>
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