One way to eliminate the master cylinder question would be to remove the line to it and put a plug in the hole. The M/C should give you a very hard pedal almost immediately. The brakes being out of adjustment is definitely a factor too. I broke down when I was refurbishing the brakes in my 62 and bought the Motive Products power bleeder (About 50 bucks). It consists of a garden sprayer looking bottle with a pressure gauge, a long hose, and a cap designed to fit over the M/C. You fill up the bottle with brake fluid, and pump it up to 10-15 psi. Then you get under each wheel and let the pressure do the work for you as you loosen up the bleeders. What's nice about it is that you don't have to mind the M/C since the bottle is feeding brake fluid under pressure. All you have to worry about is making sure the bottle has enough fluid in it! Chris Middlebrook 62 Custom Southampton --- On Mon 07/26, < RandalPark@xxxxxxx > wrote: From: [mailto: RandalPark@xxxxxxx] To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:58:53 -0400 Subject: Re: IML: Master Cylinder Rebuild Time? This symptom can mean (among other things) that the brakes need to be adjusted.<br><br>Paul<br><br>.In a message dated 7/26/2004 6:17:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Dave Ford" <daveford1@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:<br><br>>I recently replaced all 6 wheel cylinders and brake shoes on my 58 <br>>Southampton. ?Brake pedal pumps up to a good hard pedal and braking is good. <br>> ?But... ?my first pedal stroke on the brake goes way below the pumped <br>>height so I have bled all the wheel cylinders three different times to try <br>>to eliminate this issue but I still get the same result.<br>>Is my problem the Master Cylinder? ?Should a rebuild/kit suffice?<br>> ? Thanks<br>> ? Dave<br>><br>>_________________________________________________________________<br>>Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ?Dig Yourself Out of Debt? from MSN <br>>Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx<br>><br>><br>><br>>----------------- ?http://www.imperialclub.com ?-----------------<br>>This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please <br>>re ply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be <br>>shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the<br>>Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>>To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm<br>><br>><br><br><br>----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com -----------------<br>This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please <br>reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be <br>shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the<br>Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm<br><br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm