I love this list because it keeps us all on our toes. Of course, Don is correct. I did the old 440 model vs. 440 engine trick in my head and forgot that there was no big block Dart in '64. Please delete all references to '64 in my original post and replace them with '62. Please see a fine example of an original Dart 440 model with a 413 Max Wedge engine at http://www.ornocar.com/1962to1965mopar/unclmx62vert.html I think, though I'm not sure, that this is the losing car in the 1962 song. "It happened on the strip where the road is wide, Two cool sharks sitting side by side. My fuel-injected Stingray and a 413..." Thanks, David '91 K-Imperial driver '66 Crown Coupe project "Don Hudson" <mopar4me@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: cc: mailing-list-owner@xxxxx Subject: Re: IML: Comparing a 64 Imp and 64 Dart was Mopar Nationals ialclub.com 07/22/2004 07:28 PM Please respond to mailing-list A '64 Crown with a stock single-carbed 413 in front of a stock 727 TF and a stock 8 3/4" SureGrip rear end has every bit as much torque and horsepower as a '64 Dart with the same setup. Actually much more HP and torque since the largest engine you get in a 64 Dart was a 2 barrel 273 Don