Hi, In answer to what is ok on the list and what is not, It's very hard to draw a line in the sand on these things from the admin side. Many threads start out fine but drift off in to never never land.. Like WD40 being good for fishing bait and the debate over whether a Bugatti(sp?) is really a production car so can it be counted against caddy limos for size.. The towing thread and performance curve threads were on the cusp of entering this territory and thats why they were included in the general "cease and desist" e-mail. When things start getting too far out we start getting complaints from members or, even worse, they just leave the list. We have a second mailing list called the salon where more "off-topic" conversations are allowed. It was originally created just for the purpose of continuing conversations like these and to talk about other cars compared to Imperials, etc.. There aren't as many rules there and it was intended for those of us, like you and me, who enjoy the technical discussions more. Unfortunately that list rarely gets any posts at all. I hope you can understand the balancing act we try to pull off to keep all 600+ members of the list happy. If you ever have suggestions about how to make the list better or concerns that you would like to see addressed I, and the rest of the admin team, would like to hear from you. I would also invite you to join the admin team and help us make the decisions on when these things are going out of control and when they are within bounds. Jeff Ingraham jeff_ingraham@xxxxxxxxx and Steve B imprl59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Moderators