Hugh and All, The Budd Brakes are not an Exception....... All the parts are available. I've owned my 67 since 1983 and it's been a driver for all than about 10 years of that time. My dad rebuilt the Calipers after my grandmother gave it to me (1983) and I had the pads changed in 1985. Until last Tuesday, I had never had a problem with my braking system, last Tuesday the brakes went out on my way home from work........ My mechanic couldn't look at it till Friday..... Expecting the worst, I showed up with my spare Brake pads, the Caliper part numbers, and the phone number of the place that manufacturers the Rotors. Instead I have my car back with a Brand new Master Cylinder and Brakes that throw you thru a windshield at the slightest touch.... Obviously the Master Cyl has been on it's way out for awhile and it was so gradual that I didn't notice my brakes were getting progressively worse. My pads that went on in 85 still have 65% left, my rotors are fine. The only thing that has been done since 85 is the flushing of whole system and the periodic adjusting of rear brakes. That was last done in 2001 so it was on my list to do this year as well. I see no reason to convert these systems. Everyone is converting to 70's cars and those Rotors aren't any easier to find. You can do Mike's Conversion to Supra Rotors: http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Brakes/mike.htm Or you can have Rotors made: Mark Oliver www.precisionbrakescompany.com 476 Applegate Way Ashland, OR 97520 1-866-99BRAKE (27253) Calipers are available at: ( Which is Checker, Kragen, Advance and Schucks) http://www.partsamerica.com Part Numbers Left - 184480 and Right 184479 The pads are a bit more challenging as somewhere along the line, there was an error made in the Catalogs and they list them as D85's, what they are is D10's I did hear that this was going to be corrected, and a number of people have found them.... I keep a spare set on hand. I've been keeping a list of people who are interested in Rotors as if we order more than 50 rotors the price goes down substantially. But currently I only have a list of about 15 people on my list. Leslie '67 Imperial Sedan http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1967/Leslie/ Leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh & Therese" <hugtrees@xxxxxxxx> To: "Imperial Mailing List" <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: IML: original, restored & modified > The dichotomy in this group is between those who strive and struggle for > originality and those who make modifications. One thing that rarely rears > its head is necessity. An exception would be Budd brakes on the 67 & 68 > cars. This system is seemingly made of unobtanium, and the folks with these > cars face a real dilemma in how to approach keeping their rides on the road > safely. Thanks to the internet, I have found that it has been possible to > get just about everything original for my 1958. A few years ago I went > fairly mad trying to find an original carburetor for mine, but I was > determined to do so and was able to track one down eventually. >