Well, I used a block of wood and my sledge hammer and the y-pipe popped loose with a couple of medium raps. I will not be able to get it off until I remove the starter AND there is still some tack weld holding it. And it's wedged pretty hard into the converter pipe. I will try to grind the rest of those welds off (Grrrrrrr! What a pain.) Any Ideas on how to break it loose from the converter pipe once the weld is cleared? (I was thinking of a pipe wrench holding the converter pipe still while I yanked and twisted on the y-pipe.) Dan Wing Marcy, NY USA imp1983@xxxxxxxx ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!