Hi all, Not to diminish the loss of life in any way, such a thing is not only tragic but even more so by the fact that it is so preventable. PLEASE , even with a set of jackstands , on level ground, etc etc..give that car a good shake BEFORE you even think about crawling under it. I have had my cars on ramps with stands at the rear, stands under the frame rails, etc etc and I always give them a good hard shove or two before I get under them. Ive had one fall, and I had one go off the front of a ramp once, but the damage to a car is nothing compared to the damage you can do to yourself. I know its old hat, but you only get one chance to do this stuff right! Mikey 62 Crown Coupe