I have to throw in my two cents here on the Hugh's point that you won't find Caddies where Chevies are sold. You may very well, especially with GM products. You may not find this so much in larger metropolitan areas, but once you get outside the cites, you will most defiantly find GM grouped together in odd combinations. When I lived in Vale, CO back in the early '80's I had a '70 Olds 442 Convertible, and I still had it in my teenage mind that only a dealership should work on my car. I had to drive about 75 miles to the nearest town (I don't remember the name of it) that had a Oldsmobile dealership. It was a Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Cadillac dealership, and as my car was in the shop I would check out the new '81 models coming out. I remember seeing a '81 Camero, a '81 Sedan Deville (with the now famous V-8-6-4), and a new Cutlass. I am not suggesting that this was in any way like what Chrysler did with the Imperial, but GM did, and still does have many a dealership with some funny mixes. Most of the time you would find Imperial at Chrysler/Plymouth dealers, but I have heard that could be mixed with Dodge, and Desoto as well. I was not old enough to see that, but do remember the Chrysler/Plymouth/Imperial signs when I was a kid. I agree about Ford since I can't recall ever seeing Ford/Mercury/Lincoln all together though. Bill Ulman '66 Imperial Crown Conv. Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh & Therese Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:29 PM To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: IML: Toyota / chrysler airflow > An interesting historical tidbit on the Airflow was that the Japanese > were quite taken by the Airflow. So much so that, in 1936, Toyota > (then known as > Toyoda Automatic Loom Works) produced their own hand-built version. > Here's a > picture of the 1936 Toyoda Model AA next to a 1934 DeSoto: > http://www.1000islandstoyota.com/pages/linkpage.html Its heresy to say it in this town, now that a Toyota plant is coming, but imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. One of the things that the Japanese did that Chrysler refused to do, was stand behind their high end products - in our case, the Imperial - by creating a separate distribution chain. You cannot buy a Lexus at a Toyota dealership, or a Lincoln at a Ford dealership, or a Cadillac where Chevies are sold. The high end dealerships are totally separate from the run of the mill dealerships. Chrysler Corp. never did that for the Imperial which has repercussions to this day in that most folks, even MOPAR fans, call them Chrysler Imperials. My own car was originally sold at a Plymouth dealership. I don't think Chrysler management ever really had enough faith in the Imperial and if they didn't why should the public? As WE know, the cars had what it took to be the best, but in the high end sector, you have to have a high "prestige" factor. People will pay extra for a product that sets them apart in terms of social standing. They won't if the product does not have that connotation. Hugh