Quoting Jim Gathmann <jim_gathmann@xxxxxxxxx>: > Sometimes seatbelts are a gamble (but then again, > anytime you get in a car, you gamble to some > extent...). I've seen crashes were the deaths would > not have occured if the passengers WERE ejected, and > vise versa. Jim, you are right, but this is extremely are (where ejection is better). If the car is say about to fall over a cliff, or such other extreme circumstances, you may be better off to get out. In more normal traffic accident cases (low and high speed) your chances are very much better staying inside the car. During the late fifties and early sixties, these issues were identified and the first thing the manufacturers improved was the door latches, so that the doors remain closed in a crash. Many 50's cars had weak latches where the force from the passengers impacting the doors could get the door to open. There was a strong effort to promote seatbelts by showing large number of car crashes where the vehicles had only superficial damage (especially compared with damage you see when modern cars crash), yet the passengers were ejected and often crushed by their own cars. Much of this research work on crashes was started by a fellow called Strapp (or something close to it), so there was a yearly publication called "Strapp Conference" or something like that where many of these findings were shown. These are usually available in engineering libraries. Well, being Christmas and all, may be we should talk about something more pleasant. Just, don't forget to buckle up, even with only lap belts! D^2