Hi John and gang, I agree with you John. The underside of my original 413 is so grimey that I never touch the bottom of the engine/car without industrial-grade rubber gloves (the medical-grade gloves are two thin and flimsy for automotive work). Just be sure to get a size that fits your hands snugly. If they are too big, they will snag and tear on things and your hands/fingers will get dirty, defeating the whole purpose. Imperial Regards to all, Jay Mc Kee 1962 Crown Southampton four-door