Thanks again Hey what a guy ,two questions two answers .I can now start to talk with some authority about a little of the imperials ancestry.Its 1.45 Sunday night down here I'm turning in hope I haven't interrupted your sleep pattern to much Keith,----- Original Message ----- From: "hugh hemphill" <hugtrees@xxxxxxxx> To: "imperiallist" <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: IML: Southampton: What's in a name? > Keith, > > You may or may not be lucky. I have allergy induced insomnia, so at 2:30 > AM, I just happen to be still available to answer your question. My great > good fortune to actually know the answer. > > Southampton is a body style name. It refers to being a hardtop. What is a > hardtop? It can be two or four doors but it has no 'B' pillar, or a > truncated one, which means with the windows down nothing between the wind > shield 'A' pillar, and the rear window's 'C' pillar. So, there are two > types of four door Imperial. A traditional sedan, which has a 'B' pillar > and regular, full frame doors, and the Southampton, which has fully > recessing window frames, which meet up to one another when in the up > position. The easiest way to tell the cars apart is that the sedan has a > third window on each side, as the roof does not need all the structural > support at the back 'C' pillar that the hardtop does. Also underneath, the > four door Southampton has a huge 'X' shaped strengthening piece in the > chassis, as does the convertible. The sedan and the two door do not. > > Technically speaking their was no coupe in 1958, just a two door hardtop. A > coupe implies a different body shape from the four door version, one that is > 'cut,' reduced in size and weight in some way. Very often, what are called > coupes are really two door sedans, but that it another story. > > The use of Southampton as a designation for hardtop was discontinued at some > point in the early sixties. But the base model would gain a name of its > own, the Custom model. Chrysler Corp's naming policies were a law unto > themselves, devoid of logic and inherently confusing (such as Crown Imperial > and Imperial Crown) to the public, who never really got around to calling > the cars simply Imperials. Maybe because of their long history prior to > 1955, when the cars became a brand unto themselves, or because they were > still sold and serviced at selected, but regular, Chrysler dealerships, and > were never a mass market vehicle, most people stubbornly continued to refer > to them as Chrysler Imperials. Probably the most common question I get > asked about mine is, "Who made it?" No one asks that about a De Soto or a > Plymouth, I'm sure. > > >From a New Zealand perspective what you are going to have on your hands is a > true mystery machine. You might wish to make something up when asked of the > car's provenance. I suggest either South Africa or India. Both have > automobile industries. You just might get away with it. > > Hugh > > >