Re: IML: wiring harness

[randalpark@xxxxxxx]

Thanks for the personal response.

I have kept this on the list. My experience has been that if I can't 
find the problem in the existing wiring, I probably won't fix it by 
replacing the whole thing. I want to know what is wrong before I start 
tearing into things. I guess that is why all of my cars still run after 
having many of them for over 30 years.

I totally agree with "doing things right". I don't necessarily agree 
that an electrical problem between the fire wall and the ammeter would 
indicate the need for an entirely new wiring harness, or (especially) a 
used one from another very old car. I also agree with "you gotta do, 
what you gotta do", although I have also seen lots of those types of 
projects never finished. I try to tackle projects one at a time.

On replacing the complete wiring harness, I have one car that really 
does need that. It happens to be one that has the old style insulation 
wiring. That type tends to become bare wires, and lose the color of the 
insulation that remains, making problems difficult to track down. Even 
so, I have managed to make everything work with the existing wiring, by 
studying the wiring diagrams, figuring out what makes what happen 
where, and repairing/replacing bad wires and connections. I have 
collected the new various wiring components from Rhode Island wiring, 
Ebay, and another auto restoration wiring manufacturer. When I have the 
time to install it, I plan to do so. In the meantime, I have learned a 
great deal about what makes things work by learning the cause of the 
trouble and fixing it. I am also enjoying the car in the meantime.

Most folks who know me very well also know that for me, experience is 
the best teacher.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: randalpark@xxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:59 pm
Subject: Re: IML: wiring harness



Hi Paul!...I would normally agree with you on the probability of 
'repairing' the
harness before 'replacing' it. However, the electrical gremlins I have 
been
having seem to come from someplace in the harness (according to the FSM 
wiring
diagrams) between the inside firewall junction block and the
Ammeter....Somewhere in that area there is a '3-way factory splice' 
someplace
which does not seem to be obvious from looking at the harness (for a 
total of
hours!). Also, since this is, after all, 40 year old wiring and I am 
hoping to
keep the car till I can no longer drive, removing the dash/harness and 
trying to
makeup a new one (or find someone who has already done this and can 
make on for
me) is the only other alternative I can think of. I REALLY don't want 
to have to
do this or even think about removing the dash. However..!!!....Having 
said that,
several other IML members have been kind enough to send photos and 
their own
'dash removal' stories (as well as 'you can do it' good wishes) 
regarding their
own experiences with dash removal and the wiring problems they found 
after
taking the harness apart looking for their own electrical 'gremlins'. 
As I
stated, I really don't want to have to remove either the Dash or the 
harness,
but, if I continue to have ele. problems I figure that there is ONLY 
one way to
do this...and that's the right way!!... meaning, remove the whole thing 
and put
in a new harness; have the gauges all redone while the dash is out; 
have the
radio completely restored; refinish the wood dash panels...and probably 
several
other things that will have to be addressed at the time as well.
...Sorry for the long-winded answer but, as I said, I REALLY do not 
WANT to
remove/replace the Dash/Harness but ..... "ya gotta do, what ya gotta 
do!"
Thanks!
Dan


---- randalpark@xxxxxxx wrote:

=============
Can you tell us why you think you need to make new wiring harness for
both of your cars? The wiring in '66 was quite good. Good enough that
anything needs to be repaired should be possible without total
replacement.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: IML: wiring harness



Hi Bob!..sure sounds like a heck of a problem if I wanted to make a
whole new
harness.....you mentioned Greg Leggatt....would he possibly have the
material
and diagrams needed to make up a new wiring harness for my 66
Imperials?..or are
they very very expensive to have made up???
Thanks for your email!
Dan Melnik


---- Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

=============
You would be amazed at the number of changes in the wiring harness from
64
to 65 and from 65 to 66. I supplied patterns to Greg Leggatt who builds
new
wiring harnesses (email:
leggatt@xxxxxxx ) .

As Greg and I went through the original harnesses from 64, 65 and 66,
it
made no sense why Chrysler made some of the changes.......for instance,
in
64 the connections to the front turn signal lights use a female
connection,
but in 65 they changed to a male connection.........

Then you add the complication of a different wiring harness for cars
with AC
or with AC and AutoPilot or with 4 way flasher. I didn't even mention
the
signal sentry system (not used in 64). It can be a nightmare.



Bob


----- Original Message -----
From: "dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: IML: wiring harness


> Hi All...question for the '1964-66' guru's.......I know that the
64-65
> Imperials used the 413 motor which changed to the 440 in '66....wold
a
> engine compartment wiring harness for either one of these yeras
(64,65,66)
> also fit the other years? ..or is the wirng for the 440 completely
> different for the '66???
> Thanks all!
> Dan Melnik



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