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Rob...you may want to check out an over the road
truck suspension place. I have to take my pickup truck to such a place
because the track is too wide.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and
Torsion Bar Adjustment
Thanks David,
I am already looking for a shop that can do a
front wheel aligment on a 1960 Imp.
But those are hard to find, I can assure you
that!!
Oh well, maybe I have to learn to do it myself
:)
Thanks,
Robert
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:52
AM
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and
Torsion Bar Adjustment
Robert
Don't forget to get the front
end geometry checked. I would take the specs to a
real front end shop and get the oldest guy
in there to do it.
David C. Wilker
Jr.
USAF (RET)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007
2:26 PM
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm
Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
>
Hello to all of you that helped me with the mysterous lowered 1960 Imperial
> !
>
> Today I was finally able to have a look at the
car, since it was dry after 2
> weeks of rain...
>
>
After the jacking the car up with the frontwheels from the ground and
> securing the frame with axle stands, I closely examinend the lower
front
> suspension arm and especially the bushing of the arm.
Everything looks great
> to me, then I had a look at the rear
crossmember : you know, where the
> torsionbar anchors are
located.
>
> This section was OK too, so I thought what the
heck: lets try to turn those
> adjusters!
>
> I was
warned by a couple members not to strip the fine threads of the bolts
> and the swivels since they normally are very dificult turn.
>
> Guess what ? They were both quite easy to turn, ok I needed a
large bar for
> my socket to turn those adjuster bolts but was still
able to turn them with
> one hand only!
>
> I turned
both of them 4 turns clockwise (turned them 'in' so to speak), I
>
lowered the car again to check my work and surprise, surprise the front end
> was 2 inches higher now!
> I decided that I was still lacking
2 inches of ground play in the front so I
> jacked up the car again
and gave those adjusters another 4 turns .
>
> And after 8
turns on both adjusters the car has now the right front end ride
>
height!
> I don't know why I had to adjust the height so much, and
don't know why the
> car has dropped in the first place but I am very
happy that the car could be
> adjusted to its correct height so
easy!
>
> I already made a test drive and the car even handles
better then before!
> Especially the straight line stability is much
better now the front is
> raised by 4 inches ( noticable from speeds
of 55 mph and higher), and it
> looks a lot better too :)
>
> All of you that have helped me with this isue: a big thank you and
lots of
> kudo's!!
>
> This is one great List!!
>
> Have a nice weekend,
>
> Robert
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: <randalpark@xxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:01
PM
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar
Adjustment
>
>
> My shop has been able to make the
correct adjustments to all of my
> Imperials without damaging any
parts. This seems to have more to do
> with the skill level of the
shop than the age of the car. I understand
> that there may not be
many shops in Europe that are familiar with a '60
> Imperial. Still,
there must be shops that specialize in front
> suspension work. A good
shop would look over the car, determine what
> parts were needed, and
then give you a list. They wouldn't take
> anything apart (a tie up
their space) until you came back with what was
> required. I think a
good shop could study the manual and figure out
> your car.
>
> Unless you are inclined to want to do this yourself, I think it
is
> worth looking for a GOOD shop that is willing to work on your
car.
>
> Paul W.
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Rob van der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:12 am
>
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
>
>
>
> Hmmm,
>
>
>
> That is indeed
the last option to choose from :)
>
> I will take care not to
damage anything I promise, but then this stuff
> is 47 years
old...
>
> At least I hope these bolts don't break while
turning them after Lord
> knows how many years..
>
>
>
> Thanks again and lots of kuddo's to all,
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
>
> From: Frederick Joslin
>
> To:
mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:47
AM
>
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar
Adjustment
>
>
>
>
> Hi Robert:
>
>
>
> I was going to put this in the previous post but
chose not to.
>
> You can get new over sized bolts and drill
and tap the anchors to fit
> the new bolts.
>
> This is
probably the last option that you want to take, but it would
>
work.
>
> Also, if you go this way you can use metric stuff if
you want.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "Rob van der Es"
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and
Torsion Bar Adjustment
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:49:46 +0200
>
>
> Thanks a lot Fred!,
>
>
>
> But
what if I strip the threads of the anchors then? I am not to
> worried
about the bolts you see, a good hardware dealer can supply
> those I
am sure.
>
>
>
> But are those T-bar anchors
still available?
>
> Does anyone have a source in case I need
them?
>
> Ofcourse I can ask Lowell or Bob, but if I prefer new
ones, are they
> still available ?
>
>
>
>
Thanks again,
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Frederick
Joslin
>
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:27
PM
>
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar
Adjustment
>
>
>
>
> Robert:
>
> I believe that you can fully remove the adjuster bolts and then
replace
> them with no problem. I would apply penetrating oil and then
remove
> them from the car. It is easier to remove them than tighten
them if
> they are a littl fouled. Clean up the threads with solvent
and a wire
> brush and check the condition.
>
>
>
> When adjusting the height up count the number of turns it takes.
If
> both torsion bars are in about the same condition, it should take
close
> to the same number of turns for a level front end. You can
adjust the
> bolts with the front end off the ground and then lower it
to chech the
> ride height. I would suggest this since it put less
stress on the bolts
> (and on you).
>
> Note that you may
have some "worn out" threads especially from rust,
> but if they are
in a section of the bolt that you do not need to "bite"
> into for
your ride height that will not matter. What you have to do is
> get
past that section. This is not ideal, but if it is all you can
>
do........
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Rob van der Es"
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and
Torsion Bar Adjustment
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:34:35 +0200
>
>
> Hello again Joe,
>
> Thanks for your kind
suggestions!
>
> I will certainly take care not to strip
the
> fine threads of the adjuster bolts and the
>
anchors.
> I will clean them thoroughly and soak them for a while with
penetrating
> oil.
>
> I have had a long search for
replacement bolts
> and anchors but I haven't found any ..
> So
I hope that my adjusters are not stripped
> already , causing the low
front end!
>
> Ofcourse I will have a look at the front
lower
> suspension arms too while I am there, just to
> make
sure that the bushings are still there and
> in good
condition.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Robert
>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe
> Strickland"
> To:
"Imperial Mail List"
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:42 PM
>
Subject: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
>
>
>> Rob;
>>
>> Before you begin adjusting your
torsion bars,
>> see if you can clean the threads of
the
>> adjusting bolts with some brake cleaner or
>>
perhaps kerosene to get as much dirt etc. off
>> of the threads as
possible. Use of an old
>> toothbrush or something similar might
help.
>> Then use a liberal application of penetrating
>>
oil on the adjusting bolts and levers and let
>> them soak for a
day or so before trying to
>> make the adjustments. You might want
to
>> re-apply the penetrating oil to the bolts
>> more
than one time. It may be a real problem
>> if you stripped threads
on the bolts and/or
>> the adjusting arm of the torsion bars.
You
>> might be able to find replacements, but there
>>
could be a long time to find replacements.
>>
>> Be sure
to examine the A-arm bushings for
>> missing chunks or completely
gone bushings.
>> As I mentioned before when these
bushings
>> disintegrate and fall out it allows the
>>
associated metal parts of the A-arms and
>> steering elements to
shift position enough
>> that the steering parts (especially the
idler
>> arm and the steering pitman arm) to shift
>>
position and get in quite a bind while
>> steering the car. You
certainly don't want
>> to wind up with a broken idler arm stud
or
>> pitman arm stud while driving down the road!
>>
Complete loss of control might result, with a
>> crash into another
car or into a pedestrian
>> or bicycle
rider.
>>
>> Joe S.
>>
>>
>>
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