Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608

[randalpark@xxxxxxx]

If the torsion bars anchors aren't seized and the adjustment is 
possible, the car can be raised pretty much as high as you want it to 
be. I'd be very careful since they may not adjust very well after all 
this time, and the bolt can become stripped. If this happens in the 
Netherlands, you are pretty much gonna have to dismantle the front 
suspension yourself and rebuild it. My father did this job to our car 
in 1967 when it only had 29,000 actual miles on it.

We lived in Southern California at that time, where there was a high 
concentration of OZONE in the air. The Ozone destroyed the rubber front 
end parts prematurely. As a young father with 5 kids in private school, 
he didn't have the extra $$ to pay a shop, so he did it himself, step 
by step from the shop manual. During my ownership, I have been lucky to 
know of a good front end shop that can do the job correctly and charge 
a reasonable price for the work.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob van der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608


Sorry, I was too quick. The height difference with my car is 4.5 
inches. Still a considerable difference is you ask me . 
 
Who of the xperts can shine a light on it?? 
 
Thanks again, 
 
Robert 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Scott" <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:21 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608 
 
> Rob, 
> My height to bumper at dead center is 32 cm. On the bumper at the 
center > of the parking lights it's 34.2. 
> BTW, went to see the starter guy this morning. The starter needs new 
> fields and armature. He told me he'd have an quote for me by 
tomorrow. 
> Tom 
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob van der Es" 
<R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:56 PM 
> Subject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608 
>  
>  
> > Hello again Eric, 
> >  
> > Thanks for the very helpful information, I have found the section in 
my >> FSM too. 
> > It really looks simple to make those measurements I must say. 
> >  
> > The reason I asked around for some 1960 front bumper height 
measurements >> is the fact that I don't have a lift available for my 
car. Ofcourse I can >> put it on axle stands but if the measurements of 
other 1960 owners give >> roughly the same figures I am worrying about 
nothing you see. 
> >  
> > Btw, I have a preference for a tall sitting 1960 Imperial too, so I 
guess >> it wouldn't hurt to check for cracked bushings. 
> > Lost lower arm bushings will however certainly be noticable when 
driving >> the car don't you think? 
> >  
> > If one is cracked or heavily distorted, are they easy to change or 
do I >> need a lot of special tools then? And even more important, are 
those >> bushes still available? 
> >  
> > Btw, I have Monroe Max AIR shocks in the rear and I am pretty happy 
about >> it, I need them to compensate the weight of the LPG tanks. You 
can 'pump' >> them up with an air compressor until the rear of your car 
is at the >> correct level. 
> >  
> > Thanks again for your help, 
> >  
> > Robert 
> >  
> >  
> > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric" <gearhead@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:42 PM 
> > Subject: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608 
> >  
> >  
> > > A little further into the section about height adjustment in the FSM 
for >>>1960 is the section of how to adjust without tool C-3608. 
> > > http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1960/FSM/html/02-006.htm ;
> > > Look at section 'b.' 
> > > The measurement is pretty straightforward and very easy, it is just 
a >>> subtraction from two simple measurements with a margin of 
difference >>> between either side. Unless you have a perfectly flat 
surface to work >>> on, it isn't precise but you can get close enough. 
Of course the Master >>> Technicians Service Conference reference book 
on Suspension and Front >>> End Alignment for 1960 is a good read, >>> 
http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/146/146Page07.htm ;
> > > I used my paved street as a basis point when I levelled my '64 
Crown >>> Coupe, opting for the highest allowed subtraction. I have a 
preference >>> for a tall sitting Imperial. 
> > >  
> > > Suspension component wear, specifically bushings that have 
disintegrated >>> and worked their way out can cause a slight drop in 
ride height. I >>> wonder if the mysteriously sunken Imperial mentioned 
recently lost a >>> lower A arm bushing? It's a stretch but I've had 
one work it's way out >>> of a Chrysler before. 
> > >  
> > > Measuring bumper height is not the official way of determining 
proper >>> ride height, and being such, it doesn't ensure the proper 
geometry that >>> the former Porsche engineers that Chrysler hired for 
suspension >>> development intended. If anyone has more info on that 
suspension team, >>> I'd love to read about it. Bumper height 
measurements would indicate if >>> the front of the car has a twist in 
it or that the bumper is out of >>> alignment but it is pretty remote 
from the official suspension >>> measurement. 
> > >  
> > > KYB shocks, or any gas charged shock, will provide a lift if your 
rear >>> springs are sagging more than you'd like. I've posted the KYB 
Truck & >>> Van Division HD shock part # and I think it's in the repair 
section >>> under Suspension in the website. I put these on a '72 
Newport of mine >>> years back, I'm presuming they would work for a 
like year Imperial, and >>> maybe earlier models, but that should be 
double checked. They lifted the >>> rear of that A-35 Trailer Tow Pkg 
with HD suspension (ie. extra leaf et >>> al) Newport to what I imagine 
to be a like-new height. 
> > >  
> > > Speaking of rear suspensions, there is a fascinatiing bit in the 
Master >>> Technicians Service Conference reference book for 1965. It 
descirbes the >>> engineered rear suspension understeer incorporated 
into the action of >>> the rear spring hanger, effectively making for a 
bit of rear steering 
> > > http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/214/Page06.htm ;
> > > Chrysler didn't just slap leaf springs on our cars for no reason. 
These >>> are an engineered item with a specific purpose. It's no 
wonder these >>> cars hold a line in a curve so well, as I'm often 
demonstrating to >>> myself just for the thrill of it ;-) 
> > >  
> > > Eric 
> > > 1964 Crown Coupe 
> > > ___________________________________________________________________ 
> > > Thanks, I will look forward very much for the results of your >>> 
measurements 
> > > of the bumper height! 
> > > I think you will be the first with those figures :) 
> > >  
> > >  
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