Re: IML: The Brakes Are Not The Problem

[Mark Battesby <a1web@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

hey Paul thanks but of course the fluid was checked  I would be glad to send you a pic of the car I think you would agree the the proper maintenance has been done.  if I send a pic through imperial it never gos through.  I know allot about the brakes so much so that I can still use the brakes after disconnected the air assist. I put in a new hydraulic switch and I do have power at the master cylinder You can check that buy simply touching the wires. I think the problem with the brake lights lie inside the column where six wires all meet. That unit I had to repair it wasn't easy and I think that is what is wrong. The problem is I cant find one anywhere and nobody seems to know what I am asking for do you  ?

randalpark@xxxxxxx wrote:

It may be true that every part in the brake system of this car is worn
out, but the brakes are not the problem. It is the lack of proper
maintenance. When working correctly, they are fine. It is a problem to
find someone who can fix them right. They are not a problem when they
are maintained as intended, and working properly.

Even if everything is brand new, if they are not adjusted and bled
correctly, they will not work right. A lack of brake lights in a
hydraulic light switch system should inspire the owner to check the
fluid level before going any further. If that was not suggested in this
string, it should have been.

Find someone to rebuild the brakes. If you can't, you may need to learn
how to do them yourself. It isn't that hard, just a lot of work. If you
want to do a massive brake conversion, that's up to you, but no matter
what is done, if they aren't maintained, they won't work.

Paul W.



-----Original Message-----
From: brnxbmbr@xxxxxxx
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights now no brakes

Hi Mark, I'm Jim I had a similar sitiuation, with my 60, imperial
twenty years ago or so. First of all sucking noise, is that an issue ?
Or you might be passing fluid in your master, after a long time that
piston in there starts to ovalate the cylinder wall of the master. then
itll suck that peddal down if you have a good vacume. Brakes have
ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM with imps in 59 -61. I just 3 day ago put a front
end conversion with corvette master cyl and a Ford super duty roters
calipers. I can stop on a dime now with NO STRESS ! your turn signal
switch sounds to me worn out mabey a wire, but that little ball looking
thing in the center of the switch has worn down a little that will make
it so it won"t stay put to do a signal. Maby a replacement is needed
there. Good luck
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Battesby
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights now no brakes


thanks everyone for all your advice still no luck. In the back one bulb
does blinkers, lights,and brake lights . the car does have back up
lights also . The car has a wierd brake system. Theres like a bellow
looking thing that assist the brakes with air. Today when i stepped on
the brakes they went to the floor and wouldnt come back. I disconnected
the vacume line going to the bellow air thing , no change . So I
carefully took it all apart. There was a spring that had bent in two I
put in a new one. Now as soon as I start the car the bellow sucks in
pulling the pedel to the floor locking the brakes . Ive taken it apart
several times and I can see anything that is wrong with it any clues ?

john sadowski wrote: Mitchell's had a 1960 Imperial
NOS 4 way flasher kit on eBay a while back. Someone on here bought it &
paid quite a hefty price as I recall.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Benjamin
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


The first year for mandatory 4 - way flashers was 1966, as far as I can
recall. (Backup lights, too.)

If Imperial had them in 1960, even as an option, I'm astonished!

I learn something new every day, here!

Dick Benjamin

----- Original Message -----
From: JIM LORENZEN
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


I don't know for sure about the '61s but 4-way flashers were an option
on the 60 Imperial and all other Chrysler products of that year. I
believe a 61 Imperial I had once had them as well, but won't bet the
ranch on it.
As far as what was where in the wiring, I have no idea.

Jim in OR
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Benjamin
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


THAT is decidedly wierd! Has someone modified your car? There should
not be another flasher on the car unless someone has retrofitted it
with emergency flashers (4-ways).

Regarding the various suggestions involving the parking light sockets
etc. - there is no connection between the brake lights and the parking
lights - they are on totally different circuits - at least they are
SUPPOSED to be!

Electrical circuits can do strange things sometimes, especially when
the car is old enough to develop spurious electrical paths that are not
designed into the car, due to corrosion etc., so I cannot say for
certain that a bad ground on a parking light socket can cause brake
lights to fail - but I'd have to see a schematic of THAT circuit to
convince me.

Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Battesby
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


ok Ill try that but you dont think it has anything to do with the
flasher cause my blinkers work whether the flasher unit is plugged in
or not ?

Dick Benjamin wrote: This situation comes up about 6
times a year on the IML - you can find many discussions in the
archive... Most likely, the failure is in your turn signal switch.

If you study the wiring diagram in the FSM, you can see where to probe
with your meter or test light to prove this to yourself.

The 12 volts from the brake light switch is routed through the turn
signal switch to direct it to the rear light sockets, because the turn
signals share the same filaments in the bulbs - the brake light current
has to be interrupted by the turn signal switch when you are signalling
for a turn at the same time you are stepping on the brakes.

When the turn signal switch becomes worn, it usually starts to
interrupt the brake light signal even when you are NOT signalling for a
turn.

Sometimes, you can make the problem go away (momentarily) by wiggling
the turn signal switch. Have someone stand behind the car (or back up
to a wall where you can see the red glow) and wiggle the TS switch
while you press on the brake pedal - you may be able to find a position
of the handle where the brake lights work - if this is the case, start
searching for a replacement turn signal switch.

Dick Benjamin
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Battesby
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:33 AM
Subject: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


Can someone give me some advise. Got no brake lights. I checked the
power going to the switch its good . I put in a new switch its the kind
that is in line with the fluid. No brake lights. Now could it be the
bulbs cause the blinkers and tail lights work there all in one ? I
don't think so There is something weird going on though. When I start
the car It starts with tail lights on . Even though the light switch is
off. But there not on solid they pulsate. To make this all go away all
I have to do is turn the blinkers on and off and the tail light go
off . Isn't that strange. Anyone have any advise ?
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