Hi Mark, I'm Jim I had a similar sitiuation, with my 60, imperial twenty
years ago or so. First of all sucking noise, is that an issue ? Or
you might be passing fluid in your master, after a long time that piston in
there starts to ovalate the cylinder wall of the master. then itll suck that
peddal down if you have a good vacume. Brakes have ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM with
imps in 59 -61. I just 3 day ago put a front end conversion with corvette master
cyl and a Ford super duty roters calipers. I can stop on a dime now with NO
STRESS ! your turn signal switch sounds to me worn out mabey a wire, but that
little ball looking thing in the center of the switch has worn down a little
that will make it so it won"t stay put to do a signal. Maby a replacement is
needed there. Good luck
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:34
PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake
lights now no brakes
thanks everyone for all your advice still no luck. In the back
one bulb does blinkers, lights,and brake lights . the car does have back up
lights also . The car has a wierd brake system. Theres like a bellow looking
thing that assist the brakes with air. Today when i stepped on the brakes they
went to the floor and wouldnt come back. I disconnected the vacume line going
to the bellow air thing , no change . So I carefully took it all apart. There
was a spring that had bent in two I put in a new one. Now as soon as I start
the car the bellow sucks in pulling the pedel to the floor locking the brakes
. Ive taken it apart several times and I can see anything that is wrong with
it any clues ?
john sadowski <jsadowski@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Mitchell's had a 1960 Imperial NOS 4 way flasher kit
on eBay a while back. Someone on here bought it & paid quite a hefty
price as I recall.
John
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:15
PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no
brake lights
The first year for mandatory 4 - way flashers was
1966, as far as I can recall. (Backup lights, too.)
If Imperial had them in 1960, even as an option, I'm
astonished!
I learn something new every day, here!
Dick Benjamin
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007
6:18 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no
brake lights
I don't know for sure about the '61s but
4-way flashers were an option on the 60 Imperial and all other Chrysler
products of that year. I believe a 61 Imperial I had once had them
as well, but won't bet the ranch on it.
As far as what was where in the wiring, I
have no idea.
Jim in OR
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007
5:13 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial
no brake lights
THAT is decidedly wierd! Has someone
modified your car? There should not be another flasher on the car
unless someone has retrofitted it with emergency flashers
(4-ways).
Regarding the various suggestions involving the
parking light sockets etc. - there is no connection between the brake
lights and the parking lights - they are on totally different circuits
- at least they are SUPPOSED to be!
Electrical circuits can do strange things
sometimes, especially when the car is old enough to develop spurious
electrical paths that are not designed into the car, due to corrosion
etc., so I cannot say for certain that a bad ground on a parking light
socket can cause brake lights to fail - but I'd have to see a
schematic of THAT circuit to convince me.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007
11:05 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial
no brake lights
ok Ill try that but you dont think it has anything to
do with the flasher cause my blinkers work whether the flasher unit
is plugged in or not ?
Dick Benjamin <DickB@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This situation comes up about 6 times a year
on the IML - you can find many discussions in the archive...
Most likely, the failure is in your turn signal switch.
If you study the wiring diagram in the FSM,
you can see where to probe with your meter or test light to prove
this to yourself.
The 12 volts from the brake light switch is
routed through the turn signal switch to direct it to the rear
light sockets, because the turn signals share the same filaments
in the bulbs - the brake light current has to be interrupted by
the turn signal switch when you are signalling for a turn at the
same time you are stepping on the brakes.
When the turn signal switch becomes worn, it
usually starts to interrupt the brake light signal even when you
are NOT signalling for a turn.
Sometimes, you can make the problem go
away (momentarily) by wiggling the turn signal switch.
Have someone stand behind the car (or back up to a wall where you
can see the red glow) and wiggle the TS switch
while you press on the brake pedal - you may be able to find
a position of the handle where the brake lights work -
if this is the case, start searching for a replacement turn signal
switch.
Dick Benjamin
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02,
2007 2:33 AM
Subject: IML: 1961 imperial
no brake lights
Can someone give me some advise. Got no
brake lights. I checked the power going to the switch its
good . I put in a new switch its the kind that is in line with
the fluid. No brake lights. Now could it be the bulbs
cause the blinkers and tail lights work there all in one ? I
don't think so There is something weird going on though. When I
start the car It starts with tail lights on . Even though the
light switch is off. But there not on solid they pulsate.
To make this all go away all I have to do is turn the blinkers
on and off and the tail light go off . Isn't
that strange. Anyone have any advise ?
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