Re: IML: 67 LeBaron brakes

["Frederick Joslin" <fljoslin@xxxxxxxx>]

I find it a little scary that an Automotive shop instructor would work at a place that did not check wheel bearings and that the bearings would be so bad that the wobble would push the pistons back in and they did not notice it!

Of course there is much more money in replacing the entire brake system than just the wheel bearings. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Wilker"
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IML: 67 LeBaron brakes
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:50:53 -0800


Just a note...

When I was in Automotive classes, we heard a
tale from the instructor about a mystery brake
problem, Fellow had an International Scout with
disk brakes, and the pedal would go to the
floor. You could pump them up, but it was a bit
of a pucker factor. So they rebuilt the whole
brake system. New calipers, pads, all of it.
They checked the pedal (after bleeding) in the
shop and it was high and firm. Customer took it
out and almost hit a truck, as the pedal went
to the floor. Long story short, the rotor
bearings were bad, so the rotor "wobbled" on
the axle, which pushed the piston back into the
caliper. When the driver hit the brake, the
system had to overcome the excessive spacing
between rotor and pad.

Sometimes, you have to look outside the obvious.



David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)


----- Original Message ----- From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 67 LeBaron brakes


If the brakes don't feel right, there is probably something wrong. Have
them checked by a competent mechanic, or check them very carefully
yourself if you are qualified. In the meantime, don't drive the car
until you are positive that the brakes on the car are working properly.

Paul W.

-----Original Message-----
From: mr85000@xxxxxxxxx
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 67 LeBaron brakes

Fred,
BE VERY CAREFUL! The 69 I had up to 74, Started to have MUSHY
brake and they went VERY SUDDENLY. It was the master brake
cylander.

Æyn

--- Frederick Joslin wrote:

> In my 69 LeBaron with the Budd brakes I would say that the
> pedal feel is
> mushy and the pedal is too close to the floor. However, the
> brakes seem
> to work fine and much better than the same era drum brake in my
> opinion.
> How do you restrict the vacuum to the brake booster?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher H"
> To: "IML (main)"
> Subject: Re: IML: 67 LeBaron brakes
> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:51:24 -0800
>
>
> The brakes on my 67 Crown have always been reassuringly firm
> for a
> 1960s
> American luxury car. I've always thought they have great feel
> and are
> easy
> to modulate, and would never think to describe them as numb
> and light
> or
> touchy. The pedal is almost a little higher than I'd expect.
>
> But maybe there is some variation among 40yo cars, depending
> on their
> usage
> and service history. Mine also had the Budd calipers replaced
> with
> later
> Chrysler single-pistons long before I bought it (and I bought
> it 18
> years
> ago), so maybe that makes mine an odd man out.
>
> I've also never thought my power steering was numb and light!
> Have
> you ever
> driven a 1970s F*rd? The Imperial is direct and smooth, even
> if I can
> drive
> with my pinky... Maybe your steering box needs adjustment (is
> there
> free
> play?).
>
> Just my $0.04 (two subjects, twice the price)...
>
> Chris in LA
> 67 Crown
> 78 NYB Salon
>
>
> On 1/15/07 7:22 PM, Mike Pittinaro at mechimike@xxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
>
> > My 67 Crown Coupe brake pedal goes very low, too, but
> > the brakes seem to work just fine. I've actually put
> > a restrictor in the booster vacuum tube to give the
> > brakes a little more "feel". Perhaps, like the power
> > steering, they were meant to be numb and light.
> >
> > In my 69 Newport with power drum brakes, on the other
> > hand, the slightest touch of the brake pedal begins
> > slowing that 4000 pound behemoth in more of a hurry
> > than I ever thought 4 wheel drum brakes ever had a
> > right to!
> >
> > --Mike
> >
> > --- MIKE CINDY BECKER wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Nick, After thinking about it while I drive, mine seems
> to
> >> be low too, might be the way it's designed.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From:
> >> nicholasadamo@xxxxxxx
> >> To:
> >>
> > mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: IML: 67 LeBaron brakes
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> I have an important question for you. I have a 67
> >> Chrysler 300 with the Budd disc brakes. When I got
> >> the car, both calipers were leaking and the pedal
> >> was very close to the floor on full brake
> >> application. After my mechanic replaced the calipers
> >> and adjusted the rear brakes, the pedal was still
> >> too low! He claimed it felt; "about right" to him. A
> >> couple a months later I took the car to him again to
> >> have him do some more work done. I asked him to go
> >> thru the brake system again, bleeding out all the
> >> old brake fluid and replacing it. When I got the car
> >> back, the pedal was the SAME! I've been driving it
> >> like this for a year now. The calipers aren't
> >> leaking anymore and the car does stop effectively. I
> >> usually leave a WIDE margin for error just in case.
> >>
> >> IS your pedal low???
> >>
> >> The mechanic has the car again now. He's having
> >> the engine, and tranny overhauled and most of the
> >> suspension parts replaced. I got the Budd rotors
> >> from the DuraBrake reproduction and I got a new set
> >> of pads. I'm having him install these with the added
> >> instruction of replacing ANYTHING that may be
> >> causing the low brake pedal. Any thoughts??
> >>
> >> Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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