I'm sure this is not news to a lot in the old car hobby, but the meaning of certain words is totally different back in the rust belt (basically east of the Rockies, in my opinion, but don't argue with me, please). I grew up on the east coast, and spent quite a bit of time in Missouri and Illinois, so I know a bit about this. When someone from the rust belt says his car has "NO RUST!" he means that there are no visible holes in the body that you can see on first inspection. He does not mean what someone from the southwest means when he says no rust (namely, that means that there is no rust - anywhere, and never was). The rust belt car may have been previously "repaired" (and you can only imagine what that involved - I've seen newspaper stuffed into holes, then plastered over with bondo, then painted nicely, good looking until you hit the first bad pothole). The rust may be only in the floor boards, or only on the frame rails up over the rear wheels etc. I once worked on a convertible from Florida that was a "Guaranteed no rust car" which calved off a large chunk of bondo from behind the rear wheel as I drove it up my driveway, and upon inspection turned out to be just about ready to shed the whole last 3 feet of the car - the frame was rusted down to almost nothing left over the rear axle kickup. You could grab the rear bumper and by lifting and pushing down, you could see the gap between the trunk lid and the rear body panel open and close from the frame flexing! I bought a 1954 Packard out of Madison Wisconsin that looked really good in pictures - original owner, low mileage (69K), no rust showing, original paint, no body damage showing - no sign of any problems, until I loaded it on my trailer to bring it home. The front seat fell partly through the floor onto the deck of my trailer. By the time I got it home to California, the frame had broken right in the middle of the car - I had to take it off the trailer with my forklift. I harvested the engine/trans and factory AC unit, and took the rest to the crusher - nothing savable! I have a friend who owns a wrecking yard in Missouri, and I've spent quite a bit of time back there helping him sort and inventory what he has - most of the cars in his yard are from the 80 and 90s now, and they are almost all in there because of serious structural rust. Wrecks are only maybe 10% of his stock. Most of the pickup trucks are broken in half just behind the cab. The cars from the older years (he has stuff going back into the 30s) is generally more sturdy, but even those are beyond anyone putting back on the road again - ever! So the bottom line is, don't buy a car based on what the seller says - demand either a personal inspection, or get many, many detailed pictures of every aspect of the car, including under the carpets, the chassis, and especially the structural parts. If a car is claimed to be a "southwestern car", demand proof covering the car's whole life before you accept that statement. Dick Benjamin -----Original Message----- From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kenyon Wills Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:33 PM To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: IML: 1960 2 door for sale cheap! The GREAT car that I bought from Iowa was so rotted out that it made me cry. Seller meant well and sold against his wishes due to wife pressure, but the thing was rotten 6 different ways. Guy said it was GREAT and that he was certain that it was a resto candidate for certain. I feel otherwise. You can't fix what isn't there. Stuff that's rotted is effectively not there. Caveat Emptor. My 1960 Iowa car is now my parts car, with the swivel seat frames and complete engine core being the highlights. I had to buy a shell locally (thanks Henry!) to get away from the rot. -K --- HavADope@xxxxxxx wrote: > Actually if you click on the picture you can see all > the typical rust spots. > The front of the hood, the bottom of the front > fenders and the bottom of the > doors. Most likely the rear fender wells. Take it > from me- It's a > handfull.... > Been There-started to do it and changed my > mind-ended up buy a good shell > from Kenyon. > Thanks Kenyon!!!:-) > Marc > 1960 4drht > > > > > Beware of cars from Iowa, they salt the roads and > the cars are usually > pretty rusty!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Dennis > 68 Omaha Orange FB 360 > 67 Imperial Titanic 4 door sedan > 64 Dodge 880 land yacht w 413 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _stephen dilley_ > (mailto:stephendilley@xxxxxxx) > To: _mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > (mailto:mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:41 AM > Subject: RE: IML: 1960 2 door for sale cheap! > > > that is one very cheap 1960 !!! although interior is > unknown ? or if she > runs ok ? > still a bargain car ... should be had quick before > a devil grabs it ! > > > best wishes, steve. > > > > > ____________________________________ > From: _canafornia@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > (mailto:canafornia@xxxxxxxxxxxx) > To: _mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > (mailto:mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > Subject: Re: IML: 1960 2 door for sale cheap! > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:11:50 -0500 > > I was looking for something else and came across a > 1960 Imperial 2 door for > sale in Iowa for $1995.00 !!...looks like a nice > base car!..If I had the > funds available ad the time I would definetely look > into this one, but > unfortunately my plate is very full right now and > my bank account is very empty! ;-) So > I figured I would mention it to the group in case > someone else is looking > for a good project, before some crazy demoderby nut > gets his hands on it and > destroys another good restorable Imp..especially a > rare 2 door!........the site > I found it on is coyoteclassics.com , just scroll > through the pages and > you'll see it, it's a flat black one... > > > > ____________________________________ > Be one of the first to try _Windows Live Mail._ > (http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 11fb2b2e6d) > > > > > Kenyon Wills ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. 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