"on the 413, the water pump can be replaced without removing the entire housing, in fact that is the way that they usually do it. I don't recall if the same set up exists on the 440," Yes it is. All Mopar big blocks are this way. ----- Original Message ----- From: <randalpark@xxxxxxx> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: IML: Water Leaks and Murphy's Law How did all of this start? It sounds like there were no leaks before, and the decision was made to have a shop replace the upper hose. What "lower hose part" is being referenced here? Was the lower hose being changed also, and a problem discovered with the spot where it connects to the housing? Was the old water pump removed and reinstalled without replacing it? As has been stated, water could be coming from above and then dripping down to the lowest point before it can be seen. The water pump shaft seal or gasket could be leaking. Bottomline, there's a leak and it needs to be fixed. Heck, I have seen a pin hole leak in a hose (check both radiator hoses and heater hoses), or in the radiator itself shoot water at the front of the engine, and appearing from below like a leaky pump. If my memory is working today, on the 413, the water pump can be replaced without removing the entire housing, in fact that is the way that they usually do it. I don't recall if the same set up exists on the 440, but the source of this water leak shouldn't be that difficult to find. If the shop took the car apart and didn't put it back together correctly, they should be able to figure out what they did wrong, or maybe they aren't a very good shop in the first place. Paul W. ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm