So right Mikey. Safety has to always be job #1. I work at home along 99% of the time and I am forever taking measures to be sure I don't get trapped under something or have some other mishap that will cause the need for emergency assistance. We all forget the simple things too though, like Thursday when I was welding something in the bench vise and neglected to check the work bench for flammables left over from previous projects. I set some papers and rags on fire when some residue from a lawnmower gas tank was ignited by the welding sparks. It was a tense few moments until I managed to grab the garden hose and douse the bench. I felt so silly because that is such an obvious error...I got careless. I'm glad I had this little reminder and nothing valuable went up in flames. I also agree it is valuable for everyone to throw in their two cents because no single person knows it all BUT, there is also a time to seek the advice of those who have been there. It is not always apparent, on a list like this, who are the seasoned veterans and who are the back yard hacks (like me). Trust me, I know for one, Mikey knows his stuff. This is not to say Mikey know it all or is infalable, he doesn't and he is. This is also not meant to be a post about Mikey, it's a post about safety. You can bet that people who have worked in the industry for many years and still have ten fingers and ten toes and can see with both eyes and hear with both ears have a good idea of what it is to work safely. Sometimes, those of us who have been wrencing a while, tend to forget to point out the pitfalls that are associated with a particular project. The comment was made that "I wasn't told to NOT do it." My advice is to always work under the assumption that if you weren't told to DO it, then you should NOT do it. You need to take that with a grain of salt of course but it remains true. You can't assume it is ok just because the person or people giving the guidance didn't point out every possible thing that could possibly happen. There are certain assumptions. An example is, if I told a person to jack up the car and remove the tire. I would make certain assumptions like, they will use axle stands to set the car on, they will chock the wheels to prevent the car from rolling off the jack, they will remove the rim from the car rather than prying the tire off the rim (because I told them to remove the tire). Some assumptions were made, some need to be repeated, some need not be repeated, some often aren't but should be. It all comes down to our good friend "Communication". Mine is not always that great and things often end poorly because of it. Anyway, thanks for all the good advice, people. Thanks for letting me ramble. I think this is a topic that is not discussed enough, particularly considering its importance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike and linda sutton" <mikanlin62@charter.net> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: IML: advice - the pros and cons In the past 8 years on the IML I have learned quite a bit about much of the who, what, where to get a lot of valuable parts and such for our cars. Being a mechanic by trade has made the work itself pretty much a no brainer for me but I do understand that not everyone has acquired the methods and skills to do their own stuff, but thats ok. For whatever reason some folks just dont want to, dont think they can, prefer to pay to have it done by someone else or just never got the knowledge and skills to do it themselves and thats fine, for the people who are trying to learn thats great...knowledge is power and theres nothing better than getting knowledge - as long as its the correct knowledge. Point being...today some of the best possible advice you can or will ever get in your life about jump starting was given out by someone who definetly knows his stuff in that area. Im not here to cause a flame war or point fingers but I have seen a lot of anecdotal advice given out since Ive been around here that makes me cringe to think what kind of potential damage could result to a car, or more importantly, to the person doing the work. Usually its things of purely mechanical nature that if done wrong generally only result in frustration, possibly damaged parts and lots of extra time wasted in trying to correct a problem. Today it was on a subject that could very easily result in SERIOUS damage to ones person and ones car. I used to throw a lot more " how to......" stuff out, but often found it being debated by people who were convinced they knew better, or that the advice they got from their nephews brother in law's neighbors paper boy who knows a guy who had a car that was kinda like that but it was different was better advice than mine. So I figured that if someone wants to throw money out the window or do it the hard way, its their choice. Still, Id hate to hear someone caught themselves on fire , blew a battery up in their face and is blind, dropped a car on their chest in their driveway ( happened to a neighbor of ours once ) or anything like that. Folks, PLEASE,,please be careful out there. Most of the time youll never have a problem but it only takes once. Your car can always be repaired after a mistake but you only get one set of eyes, ten fingers and two hands. I tell my students you want to leave the shop the same way you came in every day, we should all want that. Thanks much Mikey 62 Crown Coupe ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm