Jack As long as you keep the batteries + ( positive ) with the positive and the negitive ( - ) , you can jump from here to there. Forget the battery and frame to whatever part for now. Uncle Rodger & Aunt Gabby Colo Spgs ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm