Re: IML: 60 Imperial-starter problem
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Re: IML: 60 Imperial-starter problem



Patrick, thanx for the suggestions...I don't think the pushing slightly and dropping into park will work...I don't have park. The manual says that if you push it about 35 mph it will start by compression, but hard as I tried I could only push it up to about 27.5 mph and I was real tired after that!!! The bumper jumping thing scares me because I just had both bumpers rechromed. Think I'll stick with the BFH suggestion until I can locate another starter.
Tom
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 60 Imperial-starter problem


I have heard and experienced (mostly on GMs) that stop-and-go erranding can increase the heat in large-block cylinders and expand the piston rings. A symptom I watch for as an indicator of an aging starter or battery is when the car fails to start when you've made a bunch of stop-and-go starts, but behaves normally once the engine cools a few moments (and the rings contract).
With respect to forceful pursuasion methods on starters, one we use 
frequently here in the flatlands (and one that I employed just this week 
when my '69 Buick starter Bendix became reluctant) is to open the car 
door, drop the transmission into neutral and push with your foot to make 
the car move a little.  While it's moving, even a tiny bit, you drop the 
transmission back into park and the force of the transmission locking can 
jar the starter back into action.  Often you can actually hear it release. 
I've had cars that each want a different method of releasing a captured 
starter.  I've jumped up and down on the rear bumper of fords and the 
front bumper of my Cadillac.  I had three late 70s/early 80s Mercedes 
diesels that would only respond to a sharp rapping on the starter when 
they got stuck, a very inconvenient problem when you're in a suit.  And 
you haven't lived until you're out with your boss for lunch and had to 
jump on the bumper to release your starter.  My '76 Cadillac provided that 
memory for me, that being the day before I went out and bought a new 
starter.  Plainly,  I'm cheap and waited too long.
My '70 300 with its gear-reduction starter never gave me that type of 
trouble.  It had plenty of other problems and never ceased to drive me 
insane, but the starter always performed well.  I sometimes called that 
car "tough love" or worse, depending on what on-board system was failing 
me at the moment, yet of all the cars I've owned and sold, I miss the 300 
the most.
Patrick
'58 Southampton project
'69 Electra ragtop w/ "Wildcat" rims
'86 Merecedes 300 SDL (my daily, 237K miles and counting!)
'04 Honda "mini-man" (her daily)

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Scott" <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: IML: 60 Imperial-starter problem


I was out tooling around in my 60 Crown today running a few errands. It was cool today, temp right around 70F. The car ran perfectly throughout the day until the last stop. I ran into the local WalMart to pick up some film I had developed and when I came out, she was dead. The temp gauge never moved more than 1/3 of the way to hot the whole day. I had stopped, parked and restarted the car 4 times within a span of about 20 minutes and had driven maybe 6 miles or so. When I turned the key to start, nothing happened at all. I ran through the pushbuttons figuring maybe the neutral switch was hung up or maybe the pushbuttons themselves. Everything electrical worked at normal speed...windows, wipers, etc. Dejectedly, I hoofed it on home...fortunately I was only a mile or so from home. About an hour later I went back to the car, turned the key and she started right up. The starter spun at normal revolutions. Anybody got a clue as to what might have happened? I'm thinking either the starter or solenoid overheated but starting the car 4 times in a half hour or so shouldn't overheat them.
There is no corrosion on either the battery or the starter.
Thanx
Tom
60 4 dr Crown Southampton

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