Brad is correct. The 82 New Yorker and New Yorker Fifth Avenue were the "downsized full size car. This was the m-body car related to the Diplomat and shared many mechanical components with the 81-83 Imperial. Things got confusing in 84 as the RWD New Yorker Fifth Avenue became just the Fifth Avenue and the New Yorker name showed up on a smaller FWD car (often with a turbo 4). The Fifth Avenue continued to 1989. The turbo New Yorker continued until 1988. 1988 also saw the New "bigger" FWD New Yorker that eventually gave birth to the 1990 New Yorker Fifth Avenue and 1990 Imperial. Mark 90 Imperial -----Original Message----- From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brad Hogg Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:12 AM To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: IML: Imperial & New Yorker of late 80's and '90-'93 It may be splitting hairs but I don't think this is correct. There were a number of years in the 80s that there was a RWD 5th Ave as well as a FWD New Yorker. Yes, early on there was the same car, a RWD New Yorker 5th Ave but this didn't continue when the New Yorker became FWD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Volkmann" <blackplumcoupe@xxxxxxxxx> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: Re: IML: Imperial & New Yorker of late 80's and '90-'93 Actually, the 'M' body (Diplomat/Gran Fury/Fifth Avenue) lasted from '82-'89, the FWD 'C' body (Dynasty/New Yorker) appeared in '88 and then was stretched in '90 for the 'Y' body (Fifth Avenue/Imperial). During the 80s the Fifth Avenue was an 'M' body (RWD - derived from the '77-'81 LeBaron) while the New Yorker was an 'E' class (variation of the FWD LeBaron that appeared in '82) NOTE: No matter what year/body/drivetrain layout the Fifth Avenue is actually referred to as New Yorker Fifth Avenue I also view my LHS as a Fifth Avenue with the wrong name as the Fifth Avenue was just a notch above New Yorker --- but that's another discussion Paul '65 Purple Coupe ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm