Re: Re: IML: 72 Imperial for Sale

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These folks are getting slightly more sophisticated, but only slightly.

A few weeks ago, I received an e-mail from a person calling himself "Kingsley 
William," and at first it seemed somewhat legitimate because he never mentioned 
an "agent" in the U.S. who would pick up the car (a dead giveaway), and he also 
asked questions about the condition of the vehicle and requested photos of it.  
This was unusual, because in the past they have never asked about the condition 
of the vehicle-- something any legitimate buyer would do.

They never dicker over price, either-- probably because they know they have no 
intention of paying for the car, so what difference does it make?  Every single 
person I've sold a car to has ALWAYS tried to get me to come down in price-- 
except a scammer.

Anyway, I played along on the chance he was legit and today, 4 e-mails later, I 
finally get the mention of an "agent" in the U.S. and the use of a cashier's 
check.  I have already told him 3 times I will only take wire transfers from 
overseas buyers.

In my opinion, here are the things to look for:  Anyone who is legit will 
question you extensively on the condition of the car.  Anyone who is legit will 
try to get you to come down in price.  Anyone who is legit will listen to you 
when you tell them which method of payment you prefer.  Anyone who is legit 
will send you a deposit to secure the car.  And finally, anyone who is legit 
will probably want to work through a professional shipper, not an "agent" of 
his in the U.S.

That's my 2 cents,
Mark
> 
> From: "Harold Peek" <wheeper2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2004/08/09 Mon AM 09:31:22 EDT
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: IML: 72 Imperial for Sale
> 
> Hi My name is pete, I have a 73 imperial and I tried to sell it. I was 
>aproched by the same people. They sent me a check and thought I would be dum 
>and place it in my bank account and then send the remander of the money to and 
>address given by them. They were hoping I would do this before the check even 
>cleared. I know I would not of herd from them once I found the check was a 
>Fake. the guy from New Zealand called and asked if I was going to send the 
>money and I told him not untill the check cleared and he Hung Up on me.  I 
>beleave what you have is bull.  I still have the check and never herd from 
>them again.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Chris Boekhout 
>   To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>   Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:09 PM
>   Subject: Re: IML: 72 Imperial for Sale
> 
> 
>   Where is the car located? What color? Price? I can't seem to get the OIC 
>Classifieds to work for some reason...
> 
>   Chris, 
>   72 Lebaron
>   71 Lebaron
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Robert Weldon 
>     To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>     Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:32 PM
>     Subject: IML: 72 Imperial for Sale
> 
> 
>     I am currently listing my 72 2 dr. for sale on the board, as well as a 
>few other places.  So far the responses appear to be scammers, they want to 
>pay by cashiers check. One guy claimed to be from New Zealand but can barely 
>communicate in English.  Anyway, I thought I would share a few of these with 
>you, maybe they are legitimate.  One is from someone in England, claiming to 
>be a Reverend Emmanuel Olson, Berrymead Evangelical Church, in London.  Any 
>members in England who can comment on this?  
> 
>     And the other one I am curious about is: Mark car compound {MCC}, 
>P.C.Hooftstraat 162, Amsterdam, Holland.  The contacts name is Mark Cleff, and 
>apparently they specialize in importing vehicles to Europe, selling on 
>commission.  Again is anyone in the group from Holland, or know of this outfit 
>and give me any info, good or bad, on them.  
> 
>     The other responses I am sure are scammers, the mention of cashiers 
>checks raises alarms.  two of them are even from the same email domain: 
>fastermail.com.
> 
>     Anyway just wanted to share that with the group.  Thanks for any relevant 
>information.
> 
>     Robert Weldon
> 
>     72 Imperial 2-dr hardtop (looking for new home)
>     68 Newport Conv. (my baby)
>     75 Dart Sport (latest addition to the fold)
>