On 3/23/04 5:09 pm, RandalPark@xxxxxxx (RandalPark@xxxxxxx) wrote: > Also, the original Lincoln was executed coincidentally with a significant > reduction in size, while the Imperial remained as large as ever. Early '60s > Lincolns were criticized for this so the '64 was larger all around. Even > though they look similar, the '64 Lincoln was a totally different car from its > predecessors. What's even more interesting to me is how much aesthetic damage Ford did to Engel's '61-63 Lincoln with the '64 redesign. Gone were the almost European-sized proportions, and in their place was a larger, less graceful design with a corporate-looking dash and, in a huge step backwards, flat side glass that, to me, absolutely ruins the car. (It's amusing to note that curved side glass was introduced to the industry by the '57 Imperial.) That Engel was able to take an existing platform (that same '57 Imperial) and essentially facelift it, not completely redesign it from a clean sheet, and come up with a car as elegant and cohesive as the '64 Imperial is a credit to his genius. As for carrying design ideas from Ford to Chrysler, I submit that this is true (and true of many designers). He had a certain sense of detail and proportion that became his signature. But with the exception of the '61 Lincoln and same-era Thunderbird (which were designed as sister cars, in a sense), his work at Ford was far less noteworthy, and has aged far less well, than his efforts across the Chrysler Corporation line. Compare a '60 Falcon (dumpy) to a '63 Dart (elegant). Or a '60 Ford (awkward, especially in 2-door form) to the '63 and '65 C-bodies. And throughout the end of his creased-and-folded period, he produced (or supervised) styling for all four Chrysler Corp divisions that were crisp, elegant and still handsome today. By the way, there are some studio shots from Ford Styling from the late 1950s that show a design study that's clearly an early draft of the '67 Imperial. In the Ford shot, it looks remarkably ahead of its time. It's to Engel's further credit that he could produce a completely different design language in the fuselage cars (not just the '69 C-bodies but also the '71 B-bodies, the stunning '70 Challenger/Barracuda, and the swoopy Duster/Demon variants of the crisp and boxy Valiant/Dart... and using the same front clip!) that still looked like Chryslers. OK, I'm clearly an Engel fan (I have three of his efforts), but I have been able to recognize his design signature since I was a child and still love it today. It's all just my humble opinion, but to me Engel really hit his stride under the Pentastar. I kinda wish Chrysler would recognize today what good DNA they have and have some fun with it... maybe the new Charger sedan that's supposed to appear within a year on the 300/Magnum platform but with all new sheetmetal. Chris in LA 67 Crown 78 NYB Salon