Re: IML: 1960 temperature gauge

[PAUL WENTINK <randalpark@xxxxxxx>]

That would make it read higher, for sure.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob van der Es <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 5:59 am
Subject: Re: IML: 1960 temperature gauge, was: 1960 Imperial brake 
bleeding


@Paul: I have switched from a 160 degrees thermostat to the correct 180 
degrees model! 
 
Robert 
----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL WENTINK" <randalpark@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:48 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: 1960 temperature gauge, was: 1960 Imperial brake 
bleeding 
 
If the gauge is reading higher than previously, you should have the 
temperature checked to be sure that the car isn't overheating. 
 
Paul W. 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Rob van der Es <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 4:17 am 
Subject: Re: IML: 1960 temperature gauge, was: 1960 Imperial brake 
bleeding 
 
 
That is right Sjak, 
 
 
But maybe other 60 owners can give me an idea what the normal reading 
on the gauge should be! 
 
 
Thanks, 
 
 
Robert 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
 
From: sjak brak 
 
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:17 PM 
 
Subject: IML: 1960 temperature gauge, was: 1960 Imperial brake bleeding 
 
 
In my experience from the speedshop, the original Mopar gauges can 
often get very inaccurate over the years. This can have various causes. 
 
 
The only way to correctly check the temperature is to install a 
calibrated gauge and sending unit. This will not affect the originality 
of the car, since you can remove it after comparing the readings from 
the calibrated unit with the one on your dash. 
 
 
On 10/23/07, Rob van der Es <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
 
Thanks for sharing this Richard!, 
 
 
Your father is absolutely right, you need to adjust the cam adjusters 
(4 in the front and 2 in the rear) frequently to get a good working 
braking system. 
 
I have adjusted the way you father described it, and I must say I have 
a firm pedal that travel only halfway to the floor! 
 
 
Maybe the other 60 owners, Paul, Tom, Kenyon and Charles can jump in on 
this and tell us how much pedal travel they have? 
 
 
And since we are talking about 1960 Imps here, what is the correct 
reading for the temperature of our cars? 
 
Since the weather is almost freezing cold here, my car doesn't reach 
normal operating temperature. It just passed the Cold mark on the dial 
and thats about it. Since it is a Californian car I thought the former 
owner might have installed another termostat that opens earlier, so I 
checked it and I was right! 
 
 
The previous owner installed a 160 degrees thermostat!, I guess to 
prevent the car from overheating in hot Californian summers. 
 
I now have installed a 180 degrees thermostat (OEM standard 
temperature) and the needle on the gauge goes higher then ever before! 
It now stays exactly in the middle of the dial. 
 
Is this correct? 
 
I have never seen the needle climbed that high before, so I am a little 
worried allthough common sense tells me that the middle of the dial 
sounds quite good... 
 
 
Just curious to know the readings on other 1960 owners temperature 
gauges! 
 
 
Thanks, 
 
 
Robert 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
 
From: richard burgess 
 
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Kenyon Wills ; Larry Blomburg 
 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:47 PM 
 
Subject: IML: 1960 Imperial brake bleeding 
 
 
 
Hi Folks, 
 
 
After spending countless hours working on the brakes on my '60 Crown 
they are finally working properly. I think we bled them entirely three 
times before getting everything repaired properly. The shop that 
"restored" my chasis did not double flare the brake lines correctly and 
had overtightened the flares at the bronze blocks creating distortion 
and leaks. We ended up replacing all of the lines again and the blocks 
as well, at the front frame and on top of the axle. The IML web site 
was helpful but did not really address the issue of pedal going to the 
floor. See below. Another tip, we elevated our brake bleeding bottle 
on a small step ladder, that really helped keeep the air from returning 
to the cylinders during the bleeding process. After all of this my 
father had this to say: 
 
 
 
For Imperial Club under "Repair" , "Brakes", "Brake Bleeding". 
 
 
The 1960 Imperial and like years brake systems can be perfectly bled 
and the pedal still go to the floor if the brake shoes are not adjusted 
to require minimal movement to brake the drum. The bottom line is 
that with six cylinders to provide fluid too, the master cylinder will 
be at the end of its stroke (to the floor) before the wheel cylinders 
have enough fluid (pressure) to push the shoes tight against the 
drums. Chrysler knew this, as in the Maintenance Manual under "Pedal 
goes to Floor" you (a) check fluid in master cylinder and (b) adjust 
for worn linings . The obvious implication is that it does not take 
much slack at the brake shoes to allow the pedal to go to the floor. 
With the shoes properly adjusted tight against the drum and just 
loosened enough to allow the wheel to turn freely you still will not 
have a firm pedal until you almost reach the floor. That's just the 
way it is. If you want to see this then tighten all the shoes against 
the drums and then see how much pedal you have. You cannot see this by 
pumping the pedal as the strong shoe return springs will push the fluid 
back out of the wheel cylinders faster than you can stroke the master 
cylinder. Adjust the shoes properly and frequently and you can get 
good braking. 
 
 
Richard Burgess 
 
'60 Crown 
 
 
 
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