Re: IML: is a 440 a 440?

[PAUL WENTINK <randalpark@xxxxxxx>]

It seems very odd that a shop would go through so much trouble to 
provide incorrect information on something that would be so easy to 
verify. Especially since none of the work described as being done was 
related specifically to the engine. I have discovered this tactic is 
usually used to determine how much the owner knows about their own car, 
adjusting the cost and amount of work accordingly. I have most often 
seen it used at new car dealership service departments, but these guys 
sometimes move on and go to work for private shops.

Shops that I do business with know that I am frighteningly/completely 
familiar with my cars, and are careful about telling me what they think 
needs to be done. Questions that "quiz" the owner are usually a ploy to 
see how much they can get away with. I would be very suspicious of 
this. Also, the front suspensions of these cars are so complex, I would 
never trust anyone to touch them except for front suspension 
specialists, and only then after I have "quizzed" them about their 
knowledge and experience. Although I admit that I have over paid for 
work, and made my share of innocent mistakes with shops, I have seldom 
been talked into having something done the car didn't need, or charged 
for something done that wasn't.

I would not do business with someone who insisted on peculiar and 
incorrect alleged facts about my vehicle. It is bad enough when 
"know-it-alls" acting as casual observers do this, but it sends up a 
giant red flag coming from a "good" shop.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: IML: is a 440 a 440?



Hi Eric....thanks so much for all the extra info. I stopped by the shop 
today to
talk with the mechanic and see how he was doing with all the things I 
am having
done on the car (wheel bearings/universals/front brake shoes/tranny
pan-gasket/front alignment sleeves/etc) ....the car is suposed to be 
ready
Monday (maybe) so I'm going to check again then and when I make sure it 
was also
alligned I'll let the mechanic know about the casting numbers for the 
'66-'72
Imperials and see what he has to say then! He was SOOOOOO sure that the 
numbers
he was showing me were the displacement!
I really appreciate all your info and all the comments & data from the 
other Iml
members!! Thanks everyone!
Dan Melnik


---- Melissa Swenson <emswenson@xxxxxxx> wrote:

=============
Good evening fellow Imperialists.
I realize I may be a little late to jump in on this thread but I may be 
able
to clear up a little confusion on casting numbers. These types of 
things can
keep a guy or gal up at night!
Good news, it's a 440! The number that the mechanic was referring to 
is,
quite appropriately, is the block casting number. ALL 440's '66-'72 had 
the
same casting numbers-2536430. This refers to the block only. It also 
has
nothing to do with displacement. For the record, '73-'78 440 blocks are
numbered 3698830-440- now with the displacement following the casting
number on the side of the block. Also cast into the side of the block 
is the
month and year the block was cast. On the pad under the A/C compressor
usually stamped is the displacement, in your case B440, a date, and 
maybe a
symbol or two regarding casting screw-ups and now having undersize 
bearings
as a result. VIN numbers were not added to blocks until the '68 model 
year.
Another tidbit- sure while I'm at it. ALL 413 blocks '59-'65; 2205697.
I am pretty sure your '66 has the original engine. Check your intake
manifold number on the runner just ahead of the carb-2206000. Or your 
carb,
Carter AFB #4131S or #4137S with clean air package. Sleep well my 
friend!

Eric
65 Crown-no exhaust-neighbors awake
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klebert L. Hall" <crocuta@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: IML: is a 440 a 440?


> > From: "dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Fwd: Re: IML: is a 440 a 440?
> >
> > Sorry! those numbers (430) are CAST into the
> > passenger side NOT stamped!
> > used the wrong words!!
> > Dan
>
> I don't know what those numbers mean, but it's a 440.
>
> The only 430 I know of was a Lincoln / Ford engine from the late
> '50s... You'd be able to tell immediately if somebody'd made the 
bizzarre
> effort for that engine swap.
>
> -Kle.
> '69 Crown 4DHT (temporarily mothballed)
>
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