Hullo Andrew!
I agree! You put your
finger right on ”the problem”! But you forgot maybe one of the
arguments from the manufacturers. They use to convince you buying a new product
buy saying that “you also save power”.
That is a joke!
How much power do you
save when you buy a new refrigerator? How many years can you use your old one
for the sum of a new one before the costs of power the old one have reached the
prize for the new one? And I think that is the same with cars. Ten years ago I
bought as an everyday car am European Ford Scorpio with a 24valve engine. Yes,
it is (was) an expensive car, specially when the time chain broke after only 80 000
kms when the car was eight years old. The Ford dealer told me before this
happened and when I wanted them to give the car an extra service before a log
trip, that the car had a time chain, not belt, and that the chain would keep
for ever. I just had asked them to check the belt or, if it was so, the chain. Two
months after the chain broke. That was really expensive to repair the engine, but
the car was (and is) still almost as new and is really comfortable. The repair
of the engine cost me 40 000 SEK, almost 6 000 USD. But a new engine
would have cost 18 000 USD…
Today the dealers will
not pay me a crown for that car. They will not have it; if I come to the bad
decision to buy a new car they will till me to sell the car my self.
For my old cars, two
Imperial Crowns 1965, one Plymouth PF 1934 and a Mercedes-Benz 220 SE 1959, I
have “my own” mechanics. Han can repair any car of any age! He is
working by himself, but he is a specialist on BMW.
…of course he also gives
my Scorpio service. I mean, that the Ford dealer do not know their own
products.
Best regards
Bertil Olsson,
Krokvägen 15,
291 44 Kristianstad
SWEDEN
Tel. +4644127070
mobil+4670877 38 13
Skype Plymouth1934
e-post bertil.olsson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Andrew A.
Skickat: den 12 juli 2007 01:34
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Ämne: Re: IML: Dealer won't work
on a '90s Imperial
All right, I've been trying to keep quiet when I saw this
subject come up a few days ago, as it's one of my biggest pet peaves, but I
keep seeing comments on it and I just can't hold it in any longer!..So excuse
me while I rant a little to get it off my chest so that I can sleep better
tonight! ;-)
It's called "planned obsolescence" and it's the
Multi-national Manufacturing industry's best invention. It's purpose it to
re-sell us the same product over and over again just as you have finished
paying for it..They know exactly how many times a part can go through it's duty
cycle and then break, they have it down to a absolute science. Gone are the days
that things were built to last. Now they are built to last just beyond the
warranty!..And the worst part is that they have convinced the public through
relentless marketing ploys, that this is absolutely normal! They have convinced
us that after a certain number of years, their product is no longer reliable
and in fact could be dangerous!!.So you better go out and buy a new one! And we
have accepted this!!!...Look at refrigerators: they are good for about 7-10
years..Well in my house I have 3 refrigerators and they are a 1948 Philco
(painted black with flames for my "liquid refreshments"), 1954
Westinghouse and a 1949 Philco...All of them work perfectly and have NEVER been
serviced!...So don't tell me they can't make a refrigerator that can last 50
years!.They used to do it over 50 years ago! It's that they don't WANT to!.it
would be bad for business to only sell you one every 50 years!...Cars are the
same, after 10 years they don't want to service them so that you don't feel
that you will have any support if you break down anywhere, all of a sudden it
doesn't feel reliable anymore, you feel unsafe, so you might as well buy a new
one to feel reliable again. And if you ask the average Joe, they will just say
that "that's just the way it is"..Well think about it: Aren't you
angry that you spend $50,000 on a product and it is obsolete and unreliable
after only 10 years, and the dealer doesn't even want to service it anymore??.I
know it makes me mad and that's why I refuse to buy into their marketing and I
don't buy anything "new"!!!...I broke down and bought a new home
Stereo system 10 years ago that blew up on me 4 years later!...I refused to buy
another new one. Instead I had my old faithfull Tecnics system from the 1970's
repaired for $125 and have been listening to it everyday since then without a
hitch.My Kitchen stove is a 1951 Moffat electric that not only works but the
back panel looks like the dash of a 50's Imperial ( <---Imperial content
here), which gives me pleasure everytime I look at it!...My fridges are old and
my everyday summer car is a 1969 Olds, (winter time I drive a $1000
scrapper)...I have a 1923 Band saw and a 1930's drill press which all work
flawlessly...So long live the old solid technology and I say to the New product
manufacturers: "In your face!"
Whew!...now I feel better! ;-)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July
11, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer
won't work on a '90s Imperial
On the
contrary, modern cars are the ones that are disposable. You get it new
and it's got lots of features, which is nice, but once things start to fall
apart or you get in a little fender-bender, the cost of repairs is too high and
there are so many specialized parts and computer modules that suppliers stop
producing them sooner than they would have in the past b/c it's not cost
effective, so you may not even be able to get the parts to fix it...
So it's
just easier and cheaper to go out and buy a new car, which is just fine with
the automakers and the dealerships. And since they know this, well
then, why should they bother building a product to last 10 or 20 years, when
they know you'll trade it in in 3?
I'd say
mid 90's was the point where cars stopped being serviceable enough that you could
keep repairing them and putting them back on the road, to where they started
becoming disposable.
From: jrgrestini@xxxxxxx
Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer won't
work on a '90s Imperial
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:47:28
-0400
I was in Daytona Beach Florida last year had a problem with my security system
not shuting off.The dealer told me that these cars are throw away cars. I stay
in the parking lot about 2 hours finally was able to fix it
myself. John
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Dzik <folkbluesman@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer won't work on a '90s Imperial
Last winter our local Toyota dealer did an il change on my
86 Gran Fury. All they asked was that I bring in a filter. Also said they'd do
most work on it if I brought in the parts.
Jeffrey Fastov <jfastov@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
need dealer help on a 66( other brand) and the dealer said
they don't work on cars that old.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 09,
2007 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: IML: Dealer
won't work on a '90s Imperial
Dave, don't feel alone. Years ago my Dad had his 77 Dodge
Van TOWED to the local Dodge Dealer, and was told the same thing, since it was
an ignition problem every component, if replaced was maybe $200. He had to then
tow to a small independant shop.This was in Detroit no less. Dave.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: David Whitney <hazegreen66@xxxxxxxxx>
Went to a five-star dealer in Richmond, Calif., over the
weekend with an electrical problem and was firmly told they do not do any work
on cars more than 15 years old. The rest of the conversation is
immaterial, the service writer was adamant and told me this after emerging from
the servive manager's office. Does this mean we're all officially
"orphaned" by Chrysler China?
Happy motoring,
David
'91 K-Imperial driver 200,000 miles
'66 LeBaron dual air and every option known to man
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