Thanks a lot John,I noticed they have one complete NOS set (bolt and swivel) and lots of non original sets. Personally I don't care, no one sees them anyway and as long as the quality is good I am happy.
Ofcourse it will be better if I don't damage anything at all, but you never know with 47 years old parts..
At least I am confident now that replacements are available! Rob----- Original Message ----- From: "john sadowski" <jsadowski@xxxxxxx>
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:44 AMSubject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608: Result front end 5 inches too low!!!
There are 4 vendors on PartsVoice showing them available. Collectors Auto Supply claims to have 40 of them. The part number is 2196771.John----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob van der Es" <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:46 AMSubject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608: Result front end 5 inches too low!!!Thanks John,I will give it a try as soon as the weather overhere permits any outdoor activities :) In case the bolts are stripped, are these (and the anchors eventually) still available??Robert----- Original Message ----- From: "john sadowski" <jsadowski@xxxxxxx>To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:37 AMSubject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608: Result front end 5 inches too low!!!I had a 63 with this issue when I purchased it. Parked next to other 63's showed mine was way too close to the ground. Following the measurement guide in the service manual, I was able to get the correct height by cranking up the adjusters. It took a lot more then a couple of turns though. Park on a level surface & follow the adjusting procedures. Unless the bolts are stripped, you'll notice the car raise a bit after a few turns. Adjust a few turns each side. Don't go way up on one side then do the other. Frequently check the measurements at the 2 points indicated in the service guide.John----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob van der Es" <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:50 PMSubject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608: Result front end 5 inches too low!!!Hello again Tom and Tim, Thanks for the measurements that you both have send to me. Now I know for sure that something is terrible wrong...Here are my measurements: on the center of the parking the space between the underside of the bumper and the street is only : 21.5 cm. Height to dead center is 19 cm..What on earth could have happened that my car has dropped 5 inches or so?? Mind you, the car is still level at the front so if something is broken or missing it is on both sides!! ??Is it possible to raise the car by 5 inches by simple turning the adjusters a couple of turns in the clockwise direction??.You see, maybe this whole situation is because the rear of the car is higher then normal (because I don't like the sagging look at the rear) If I sink the rear of the car by 5 inches (what I don't like), will the front come up then by 5 inches or I am thinking to simple?Any thoughts??@ Tom: glad to hear that my starter REALLY was at fault :) we didn't change it for nothing then .. Ofcourse I will pay the repair as soon as you have received the definite bill of your starter guy. Please don't forget to ask him for the protective boots for the starter fork of our starters!Thanks again for taking those measurements (I only whish that they were closer to the figures I have measured..) and I am looking forward to hear what could have caused this situation..Rob----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Scott" <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx>To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608Rob,My height to bumper at dead center is 32 cm. On the bumper at the center of the parking lights it's 34.2. BTW, went to see the starter guy this morning. The starter needs new fields and armature. He told me he'd have an quote for me by tomorrow.Tom----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob van der Es" <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608Hello again Eric,Thanks for the very helpful information, I have found the section in my FSM too.It really looks simple to make those measurements I must say.The reason I asked around for some 1960 front bumper height measurements is the fact that I don't have a lift available for my car. Ofcourse I can put it on axle stands but if the measurements of other 1960 owners give roughly the same figures I am worrying about nothing you see.Btw, I have a preference for a tall sitting 1960 Imperial too, so I guess it wouldn't hurt to check for cracked bushings. Lost lower arm bushings will however certainly be noticable when driving the car don't you think?If one is cracked or heavily distorted, are they easy to change or do I need a lot of special tools then? And even more important, are those bushes still available?Btw, I have Monroe Max AIR shocks in the rear and I am pretty happy about it, I need them to compensate the weight of the LPG tanks. You can 'pump' them up with an air compressor until the rear of your car is at the correct level.Thanks again for your help, Robert----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" <gearhead@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: IML: Front End Height Without Tool C-3608A little further into the section about height adjustment in the FSM for 1960 is the section of how to adjust without tool C-3608.http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1960/FSM/html/02-006.htm Look at section 'b.'The measurement is pretty straightforward and very easy, it is just a subtraction from two simple measurements with a margin of difference between either side. Unless you have a perfectly flat surface to work on, it isn't precise but you can get close enough. Of course the Master Technicians Service Conference reference book on Suspension and Front End Alignment for 1960 is a good read, http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/146/146Page07.htm I used my paved street as a basis point when I levelled my '64 Crown Coupe, opting for the highest allowed subtraction. I have a preference for a tall sitting Imperial.Suspension component wear, specifically bushings that have disintegrated and worked their way out can cause a slight drop in ride height. I wonder if the mysteriously sunken Imperial mentioned recently lost a lower A arm bushing? It's a stretch but I've had one work it's way out of a Chrysler before.Measuring bumper height is not the official way of determining proper ride height, and being such, it doesn't ensure the proper geometry that the former Porsche engineers that Chrysler hired for suspension development intended. If anyone has more info on that suspension team, I'd love to read about it. Bumper height measurements would indicate if the front of the car has a twist in it or that the bumper is out of alignment but it is pretty remote from the official suspension measurement.KYB shocks, or any gas charged shock, will provide a lift if your rear springs are sagging more than you'd like. I've posted the KYB Truck & Van Division HD shock part # and I think it's in the repair section under Suspension in the website. I put these on a '72 Newport of mine years back, I'm presuming they would work for a like year Imperial, and maybe earlier models, but that should be double checked. They lifted the rear of that A-35 Trailer Tow Pkg with HD suspension (ie. extra leaf et al) Newport to what I imagine to be a like-new height.Speaking of rear suspensions, there is a fascinatiing bit in the Master Technicians Service Conference reference book for 1965. It descirbes the engineered rear suspension understeer incorporated into the action of the rear spring hanger, effectively making for a bit of rear steeringhttp://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/214/Page06.htmChrysler didn't just slap leaf springs on our cars for no reason. These are an engineered item with a specific purpose. It's no wonder these cars hold a line in a curve so well, as I'm often demonstrating to myself just for the thrill of it ;-)Eric 1964 Crown Coupe ___________________________________________________________________Thanks, I will look forward very much for the results of your measurementsof the bumper height! I think you will be the first with those figures :) ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com -----------------This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. 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