IML: Adding Small Amount of ATF (why not type F) To Engine Oil

[randalpark@xxxxxxx]

As you know, type F is formulated specifically for Ford transmissions. 
What ever the difference is, it does not add anything to the cleansing 
qualities of the solution. Since our goal here is to clean out gum, 
varnish, and debris, to my knowledge it serves no purpose.

Prior to owning any Ford automobiles, I had no reason to keep type F on 
hand. Now that has changed, but I still store it on a separate shelf in 
my shop. I don't use it for anything but my Ford automatics (the newest 
being a 1986). I don't know that it will hurt anything, although my 
source, who was a stock car driver in the early '70's, said 
emphatically NO. I have always simply believed him, and remember that 
he never blew up an engine on the track. A chemist (I'm not one) might 
know what, if anything, supports this.

When I was in the process of getting my '55 Imperial going after it had 
been parked for 35 years, I used only Dextron type ATF in the crank 
case and down the spark plug holes. This was done after cleaning out 
the oil pan and to loosen things up during initial cranking. It is a 
excellent lubricant/detergent, and easily penetrates everything. It 
also mixes with the oil, which is why I am more comfortable using it 
instead of solvent to clean out a crank case. What remained in the 
system after draining was an asset to cleaning, while remaining solvent 
will "fight" with the oil. The procedure was a success, and the engine 
still runs smoothly and quietly. Friends who have tried other 
treatments have had continuing issues with noisy lifters, stuck valves, 
etc. This procedure also worked successfully on my FMC V-12 after it 
had been parked for over 40 years. I believe that Marvel Mystery Oil 
has the same properties and could even be more beneficial in these 
circumstances. I didn't use it.

I have added ATF to top off the power steering in a pinch, but was told 
NEVER to use type F for that either. Another note on this topic, I was 
advised that it was okay to use ATF (again not type F) in the hydraulic 
accessory pump on my old 40's vehicle instead of brake fluid, while 
using type F or even DOT 5 brake fluid in the same unit would void the 
warranty on the new pump. Along that line, I have also heard that DOT 5 
doesn't work in ABS brake systems. I don't have a car that new, so I 
don't know myself the reason why or if it is even true. That is one 
system that we don't fool around with. ALWAYS USE ONLY PROPER BRAKE 
FLUID IN THE BRAKE SYSTEM.

Clearly, there are chemical properties to all of these solutions which 
differentiate them enough allowing some substitutions. All my vehicles 
are old and I do not consider any of these "old timer" ideas to be 
applicable to newer cars. The general rule is IF IN DOUBT, DON'T DO IT.

Paul W.

-----Original Message-----
From: dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: randalpark@xxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: IML: LIFTERS

Hi Paul! got a dumb question, why NOT the Type 'F' ATF ??what would it 
do ??
Thanks
Dan melnik

---- randalpark@xxxxxxx wrote:

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Sometimes adding a pint of ATF (but not Type F) to the oil will help
clean or dislodge dirt that may be causing the lifter to hang up. That
said, if the engine needs work, additives won't fix the problem.

Paul W.

-----Original Message-----
From: fljoslin@xxxxxxxx
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: IML: LIFTERS

You can try to add one of the engine cleaning additives which you run
for a couple of minutes before an oil change.
This may clean stuff enough to allow you to remove the lifters if they
are stuck due to gunk .


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Dimitriou"
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IML: LIFTERS
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:11:47 -0800 (PST)

Invert car, shake vigorously.

Sorry, just kidding. Try http://fordsix.com/forum.

Dave


Bruce Stubblefield <audiblefeast@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hello,
OK, it's not my Imperial lifters, but I'm throwing
myself on the mercy of the list. Hopefully it applies
to Mopars as well.
I need to replace the lifters in my straight 6
cyl. '63 Ford(!) Falcon, but they don't pull out with
a magnet; they pull up about 1/8" and hit some kind
of stop. Pulling gently on them with needle-nosed
pliers won't budge them. Does anyone know what the
trick is to getting them out?

thanks
Bruce S



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