Re: IML: Safety First

[aeyn <mr85000@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well said Randal.
    I always use jack stand and have the garage jack as a backup.
 I usually have 4 jack stands and 2 garage jacks.  I will not get
under a vehicle with no one around.  I lost a close friend when
he was working alone at home and the jack stands slipped.

Æyn

--- randalpark@xxxxxxx wrote:

> This brings to my mind something else that isn't common
> knowledge. It also could come under the category of "nobody
> ever told me not to do this".
>  
> Cinder blocks must NEVER be used in place of jack stands. I
> have seen many cars held up this way, and two of them came
> crashing down once the cinder blocks blew apart from the
> weight. I have come across folks under their cars, while held
> up this way, and ordered them out. One time it was just in
> time, as the car came down shortly after that. The guy was
> about to punch me out for interfering, until he saw what the
> hoopla was all about right then and there.
>  
> Quality jack stands should always be used, and used properly to
> protect against injury. They should also be used as a safety
> with any jack, including hydraulics.
>  
> Paul W. 
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: luxoliner@xxxxxxx
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: IML: advice - the pros and cons
> 
> 
> So right Mikey.  Safety has to always be job #1.  I work at
> home along 99% 
> of the time and I am forever taking measures to be sure I don't
> get trapped 
> under something or have some other mishap that will cause the
> need for 
> emergency assistance.  We all forget the simple things too
> though, like 
> Thursday when I was welding something in the bench vise and
> neglected to 
> check the work bench for flammables left over from previous
> projects.  I set 
> some papers and rags on fire when some residue from a lawnmower
> gas tank was 
> ignited by the welding sparks.  It was a tense few moments
> until I managed 
> to grab the garden hose and douse the bench.  I felt so silly
> because that 
> is such an obvious error...I got careless.  I'm glad I had this
> little 
> reminder and nothing valuable went up in flames.
> 
> I also agree it is valuable for everyone to throw in their two
> cents because 
> no single person knows it all BUT, there is also a time to seek
> the advice 
> of those who have been there.  It is not always apparent, on a
> list like 
> this, who are the seasoned veterans and who are the back yard
> hacks (like 
> me).  Trust me, I know for one, Mikey knows his stuff.  This is
> not to say 
> Mikey know it all or is infalable, he doesn't and he is.  This
> is also not 
> meant to be a post about Mikey, it's a post about safety.  You
> can bet that 
> people who have worked in the industry for many years and still
> have ten 
> fingers and ten toes and can see with both eyes and hear with
> both ears have 
> a good idea of what it is to work safely.
> 
> Sometimes, those of us who have been wrencing a while, tend to
> forget to 
> point out the pitfalls that are associated with a particular
> project.  The 
> comment was made that "I wasn't told to NOT do it."  My advice
> is to always 
> work under the assumption that if you weren't told to DO it,
> then you should 
> NOT do it.  You need to take that with a grain of salt of
> course but it 
> remains true.  You can't assume it is ok just because the
> person or people 
> giving the guidance didn't point out every possible thing that
> could 
> possibly happen.  There are certain assumptions.  An example
> is, if I told a 
> person to jack up the car and remove the tire.  I would make
> certain 
> assumptions like, they will use axle stands to set the car on,
> they will 
> chock the wheels to prevent the car from rolling off the jack,
> they will 
> remove the rim from the car rather than prying the tire off the
> rim (because 
> I told them to remove the tire).  Some assumptions were made,
> some need to 
> be repeated, some need not be repeated, some often aren't but
> should be.  It 
> all comes down to our good friend "Communication".  Mine is not
> always that 
> great and things often end poorly because of it.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for all the good advice, people.  Thanks for
> letting me 
> ramble.  I think this is a topic that is not discussed enough,
> particularly 
> considering its importance.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mike and linda sutton" <mikanlin62@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: IML: advice - the pros and cons
> 
> 
> In the past 8 years on the IML I have learned quite a bit about
> much of the
> who, what, where to get a lot of valuable parts and such for
> our cars.
> Being a mechanic by trade has made the work itself pretty much
> a no brainer
> for me but I do understand that not everyone has acquired the
> methods and
> skills to do their own stuff,  but thats ok.  For whatever
> reason some folks
> just dont want to, dont think they can, prefer to pay to have
> it done by
> someone else or just never got the knowledge and skills to do
> it themselves
> and thats fine,  for the people who are trying to learn thats
> great...knowledge is power and theres nothing better than
> getting
> knowledge - as long as its the correct knowledge.
> 
> Point being...today some of the best possible advice you can or
> will ever
> get in your life about jump starting was given out by someone
> who definetly
> knows his stuff in that area.  Im not here to cause a flame war
> or point
> fingers but I have seen a lot of anecdotal advice given out
> since Ive been
> around here that makes me cringe to think what kind of
> potential damage
> could result to a car, or more importantly, to the person doing
> the work.
> Usually its things of purely mechanical nature that if done
> wrong generally
> only result in frustration,  possibly damaged parts and lots of
> extra time
> wasted in trying to correct a problem.  Today it was on a
> subject that could
> very easily result in SERIOUS damage to ones person and ones
> car.
> 
> I used to throw a lot more " how to......" stuff out, but often
> found it
> being debated by people who were convinced they knew better, or
> that the
> advice they got from their nephews brother in law's neighbors
> paper boy who
> knows a guy who had a car that was kinda like that but it was
> different was
> better advice than mine.  So I figured that if someone wants to
> throw money
> out the window or do it the hard way, its their choice.  Still,
> Id hate to
> hear someone caught themselves on fire , blew a battery up in
> their face and
> is blind, dropped a car on their chest in their driveway (
> happened to a
> neighbor of ours once ) or anything like that.
> 
> Folks, PLEASE,,please be careful out there.  Most of the time
> youll never
> have a problem but it only takes once.  Your car can always be
> repaired
> after a mistake but you only get one set of eyes, ten fingers
> and two hands.
> I tell my students you want to leave the shop the same way you
> came in every
> day, we should all want that.
> 
> Thanks much
> 
> Mikey
> 62 Crown Coupe
> 
> 
> 
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