IML: Push Starting

Patrick, thanx for the suggestions...I don't think the pushing slightly and dropping into park will work...I don't have park. The manual says that if you push it about 35 mph it will start by compression, but hard as I tried I could only push it up to about 27.5 mph and I was real tired after that!!! The bumper jumping thing scares me because I just had both bumpers rechromed. Think I'll stick with the BFH suggestion until I can locate another starter.
Tom
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>I have heard and experienced (mostly on GMs) that stop-and-go erranding can >increase the heat in large-block cylinders and expand the piston rings. A >symptom I watch for as an indicator of an aging starter or battery is when >the car fails to start when you've made a bunch of stop-and-go starts, but >behaves normally once the engine cools a few moments (and the rings >contract).
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> With respect to forceful pursuasion methods on starters, one we use > frequently here in the flatlands (and one that I employed just this week > when my '69 Buick starter Bendix became reluctant) is to open the car > door, drop the transmission into neutral and push with your foot to make > the car move a little. While it's moving, even a tiny bit, you drop the > transmission back into park and the force of the transmission locking can > jar the starter back into action. Often you can actually hear it release. > I've had cars that each want a different method of releasing a captured > starter. I've jumped up and down on the rear bumper of fords and the > front bumper of my Cadillac. I had three late 70s/early 80s Mercedes > diesels that would only respond to a sharp rapping on the starter when > they got stuck, a very inconvenient problem when you're in a suit. And > you haven't lived until you're out with your boss for lunch and had to > jump on the bumper to release your starter. My '76 Cadillac provided that > memory for me, that being the day before I went out and bought a new > starter. Plainly, I'm cheap and waited too long.
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> My '70 300 with its gear-reduction starter never gave me that type of > trouble. It had plenty of other problems and never ceased to drive me > insane, but the starter always performed well. I sometimes called that > car "tough love" or worse, depending on what on-board system was failing > me at the moment, yet of all the cars I've owned and sold, I miss the 300 > the most.
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> Patrick
> '58 Southampton project
> '69 Electra ragtop w/ "Wildcat" rims
> '86 Merecedes 300 SDL (my daily, 237K miles and counting!)
> '04 Honda "mini-man" (her daily)
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> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Scott" <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:37 PM
> Subject: IML: 60 Imperial-starter problem
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>>I was out tooling around in my 60 Crown today running a few errands. It >>was cool today, temp right around 70F. The car ran perfectly throughout >>the day until the last stop. I ran into the local WalMart to pick up some >>film I had developed and when I came out, she was dead. The temp gauge >>never moved more than 1/3 of the way to hot the whole day. I had stopped, >>parked and restarted the car 4 times within a span of about 20 minutes and >>had driven maybe 6 miles or so. When I turned the key to start, nothing >>happened at all. I ran through the pushbuttons figuring maybe the neutral >>switch was hung up or maybe the pushbuttons themselves. Everything >>electrical worked at normal speed...windows, wipers, etc. Dejectedly, I >>hoofed it on home...fortunately I was only a mile or so from home. About >>an hour later I went back to the car, turned the key and she started right >>up. The starter spun at normal revolutions.
>> Anybody got a clue as to what might have happened? I'm thinking either >> the starter or solenoid overheated but starting the car 4 times in a half >> hour or so shouldn't overheat them.
>> There is no corrosion on either the battery or the starter.
>> Thanx
>> Tom
>> 60 4 dr Crown Southampton
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